The GOOD Of The Unions!

[MI-Lineman]

AND...I will do everything I can, to support..."Freedom"...WITHOUT.... Socialist...union.

HEY E.L.! LET US KNOW HOW THE WEATHER IS IN CANADA SO THE SOCIAL SECURITY SUCKIN SWAMPRAT CAN PICK HIS SPOT OUT!!!

Just think! If it weren't for "medical" deferments YOU'D ALREADY BE THERE!!!!

[electriklady]

Pretty sad..when ya got to side with a canadian socialist to make make a point EL.
BUT...You Socialist Union people...tend to "sick together" don't ya.

Why don't you just move to canada EL? Save America, alot of money. You can suck of the socialist TIT up there...and enjoy Socialized healthcare too!!!

Yup....President Reagan...had... a "thing" with Unions, didn't he. FIRED All those Air Traffic controllers...when they went on strike.

The more I hear "you people" talk about union...the MORE I am....NOT likin what I hear.

I actually started out...with a real mellow support for Union...even bein a Rat.
You Union people...have changed me.

I can now Offically declare myself...as Anti Union.

Thank you union boys and girls...for your nice comments and retoric...to help me FINALLY form my opinion and belief about..."union".

AND...I will do everything I can, to support..."Freedom"...WITHOUT.... Socialist...union.

Have you completely lost your mind? I am not being a smarta$$ either, Topgroove wrote about underhanded employer tactics used to deny a group of people their RIGHT to unionize, which by the way, you seem to think is some kind of a "capitalistic smear campaign" that someone dreamed up. CL asked if the tactics came from Pres. Bush's administration. I just replied with what long time union people already know......it is not speculation....it is factual history......Ronald Regan took anti-unionism to a new low. You think that article was fiction? Please......so how that is siding with CL, please enlighten me......cause I am kind of lost.......and if I were siding with CL, so what......am I supposed to hate him because he is not American? I dont agree with everything he says, not because he is Canadian.......I guess I dont take border issues as seriously as a lot of people on here. I dont judge people on where they live, what kind of govt they have, what color they are, etc.........I dont like his comments lumping all Americans together, as that tends to make me think he thinks we are all like you Swamp.....but I think he is tweeking a lot of people on here, most especially you...because he doesnt like the kind of person you are. To each their own.

I should go to Canada and live and save America a lot of money? I have worked my entire life, from the time I was 17, and have never taking a thing from any government entity, or personal entity for that matter, so to you I say.....Fu(k you, I take that as an extreme insult, as I am very proud of my accomplishments in life for my daughters, grandchildren, and myself. How dare you? I have let a lot of your nasty comment slide, but you declared war when you insult me in such a manner.

If you were EVER a "somewhat mellow union supporter" I would sure as hell hate to see a dry in the wool union hater. You tell yourself whatever you want, I dont care if you even believe your bullshit.......I am a proud union working woman and I hope the EFCA gets rammed right up the A$$ sideways of the republicans and union busting companies in this country.....see how they like it when the rules are enforced and not overlooked for the first time since ole president movie star left office.

[MI-Lineman]

Don’t you dare send Swampgas here! As a matter of fact Beaver is somewhere down there and I would dearly like it if you kept the rat bastard turncoat poltroon in the USA.

Finally Swampgas has admitted to himself what he is.

“The more I hear "you people" talk about union...the MORE I am....NOT likin what I hear.

I actually started out...with a real mellow support for Union...even bein a Rat.
You Union people...have changed me.

I can now Offically declare myself...as Anti Union.

Thank you union boys and girls...for your nice comments and retoric...to help me FINALLY form my opinion and belief about..."union".”

Yea El, Reagan wasn’t the only scourge on working people. Margret Thatcher (UK), Brian Mulroney (Can), Bill Bennet (British Columbia), Peter Pocklington ( You might remember him as the owner of the Edmonton Oiler in the Hay Day of Gretsky, The Great One.) and many others in a long succession including George Bush Sr. and Dubya have pushed the income of working people down and eroded benefits.

The fight, apparently, will never be over.



Swampgas, “I can now Offically declare myself...as Anti Union.”



What a Fu(king moron.

AW COME ON! YOU GUYS COULD GO SHOOTIN TOGETHER!!!

[topgroove]

Nope, ya CAN'T fix Socialist..."Fair" stupid.
Cause...there AIN'T no FAIR Mf'Er. NEVER will be.

Hey ya shave your head yet . You need to fit in with your neo nazi fascist white supremists. Might want to clean the $hit stains from your bed sheets your gonna have to wear them to the next teabagger clan meeting!

[topgroove]

Oh I could easily play the non-union rat contractor clueless scab card. but the white supremist fascist pig card suits you better.

[topgroove]

Congressional Candidate Proudly Honors Der Fuhrer, Herr Hitler

This is a confluence of evil ............ who is he appealing to? Who is voting for this? He is a candidate for the Republican nomination? Should he get it, it's enough to make swamprat leave the party.

[MI-Lineman]

[QUOTE=Swamprat;84551]When ya can't talk the TRUTH...ya "try" and play the "Facist, racist" card.


I really wanted to stop replyin to your crap Greg cause if it weren't for your BS on politics and Unions you wouldn't be bad to chat with but you continually evade posts that seem to strike a chord and always demand people respond to your posts on the President, EFCA, and so on! Even though some have explained till they were blue in the face!! That's why in my opinion they poke fun at you being a racist cause they just don't take you seriously anymore? Especially when the Presidents color of skin comes up like the "skunk" post! That's not racism?

You've said your piece over and over so if I were you and i knew I was right about the President then I would drop it until sh!t really hit the fan and then give everyone on here a BIG I TOLD YA SO!!! Instead of continually trashin threads and soundin like a broken record that no one wants to hear anymore!

Just my opinion?

[topgroove]

The essence of what labor unions do—give workers a stronger voice so that they can get a fair share of the economic growth they help create—is and has always been important to making the economy work for all Americans. And unions only become more important as the economy worsens.
One of the primarily reasons why our current recession endures is that workers do not have the purchasing power they need to drive our economy. Even when times were relatively good, workers were getting squeezed. Income for the median working age household fell by about $2,000 between 2000 and 2007, and it could fall even further as the economy continues to decline. Consumer activity accounts for roughly 70 percent of our nation’s economy, and for a while workers were able to use debt to sustain their consumption. Yet debt-driven consumption is not sustainable, as we are plainly seeing.
What is sustainable is an economy where workers are adequately rewarded and have the income they need to purchase goods. This is where unions come in.
Unions paved the way to the middle class for millions of American workers and pioneered benefits such as paid health care and pensions along the way. Even today, union workers earn significantly more on average than their non-union counterparts, and union employers are more likely to provide benefits. And non-union workers—particularly in highly unionized industries—receive financial benefits from employers who increase wages to match what unions would win in order to avoid unionization.
Unfortunately, declining unionization rates mean that workers are less likely to receive good wages and be rewarded for their increases in productivity. The Employee Free Choice Act, which is likely to be one of the most important issues debated by the 111th Congress, holds the promise of boosting unionization rates and improving millions of Americans’ economic standing and workplace conditions.
Unions help workers achieve higher wages

Union members in the United States earn significantly more than non-union workers. Over the four-year period between 2004 and 2007, unionized workers’ wages were on average 11.3 percent higher than non-union workers with similar characteristics. That means that, all else equal, American workers that join a union will earn 11.3 percent more—or $2.26 more per hour in 2008 dollars—than their otherwise identical non-union counterparts.
Yet union coverage rates have been declining for several decades. In 1983, 23.3 percent of American workers were either members of a union or represented by a union at their workplace. By 2008, that portion declined to 13.7 percent.
American workers’ wage growth lags as productivity increases

Workers helped the economy grow during this time period by becoming ever more productive, but they received only a small share of the new wealth they helped create. Throughout the middle part of the 20th century—a period when unions were stronger—American workers generated economic growth by increasing their productivity, and they were rewarded with higher wages. But this link between greater productivity and higher wages has broken down.
Prior to the 1980s, productivity gains and workers’ wages moved in tandem: as workers produced more per hour, they saw a commensurate increase in their earnings. Yet wages and productivity growth have decoupled since the late 1970s. Looking from 1980 to 2008, nationwide worker productivity grew by 75.0 percent, while workers’ inflation-adjusted average wages increased by only 22.6 percent, which means that workers were compensated for only 30.2 percent of their productivity gains.
The cost of benefits—especially health insurance—has increased over time and now accounts for a greater share of total compensation than in the past, but this increase is nowhere near enough to account for the discrepancy between wage and productiv¬ity growth. For example, according to analysis by the Center for Economic and Policy Research, between 1973 and 2006 the share of labor compensation in the form of benefits rose from 12.6 percent to 19.5 percent.
If American workers were rewarded for 100 percent of their increases in labor productivity between 1980 and 2008—as they were during the middle part of the 20th century—average wages would be $28.53 per hour—42.7 percent higher than the average real wage in 2008.
Unionization rewards workers for productivity growth

Slow wage growth has squeezed the middle class and contributed to rising inequality. But increasing union coverage rates could likely reverse these trends as more Americans would benefit from the union wage premium and receive higher wages. If unionization rates were the same now as they were in 1983 and the current union wage premium remained constant, new union workers would earn an estimated $49.0 billion more in wages and salaries per year. If union coverage rates increased by just 5 percentage points over current levels, newly unionized workers would earn an estimated $25.5 billion more in wages and salaries per year. Non-union workers would also benefit as employers would likely raise wages to match what unions would win in order to avoid unionization.
Increased unionization would boost Americans’ annual wages

Union employers are also significantly more likely to provide benefits to their employees. Union workers nationwide are 28.2 percent more likely to be covered by employer-provided health insurance and 53.9 percent more likely to have employer-provided pensions compared to workers with similar characteristics who were not in unions.
Conclusion

Nearly three out of five survey respondents from a Peter Hart Research Associates poll report that they would join a union if they could, but workers attempting to unionize currently face a hostile legal environment and are commonly intimidated by aggressive antiunion employers. The Employee Free Choice Act would help workers who want to join a union do so by ensuring fairness in the union selection process with three main provisions: workers would have a fair and direct path to join unions through a simple major¬ity sign-up; employers who break the rules governing the unionization process would face stiffer penalties; and a first contract mediation and arbitration process would be intro¬duced to thwart bad-faith bargaining.
Passing the Employee Free Choice Act and making it harder for management to threaten workers seeking to unionize would be good for American workers. It would help boost workers’ wages and benefits. And putting more money in workers’ pockets would provide a needed boost for the U.S. economy. Increasing unionization is a good way to get out of our current economic troubles.

[MI-Lineman]

[QUOTE=CanadianLineman;84569]

How does it feel to knowingly have WASTED 1 1/2 minutes of you life???

YEAH! 1 1/2 minutes I'll never get back! Oh well! I've said my piece! I've lost interest in "wasting" anymore time tryin to communicate with that block head!

Hey since he already f$cked up this thread did ya hear CL now we here in MI have a major oil spill!

Gish! When will it stop??

[MI-Lineman]

"I were you and i knew I was right about the President then I would drop it until sh!t really hit the fan."

And? You don't think with the passage of this monstorous healthcare debacle, that the Shit hasen't hit the fan as far as, Healthcare, and personal Choice for Americans, our Children and Their Children?

NOPE! When we all go bankrupt because of it then it'll be hittin the fan!

Right now some people have the opinion that it needed to be done and some don't! Just cause you think it shouldn't have doesn't mean sh!t hit the fan! You just have a different opinion that you turn into this BIG save the country campaign! You know damn well the old way wasn't workin and you and your Republicans offered nothin better so some one tried somethin and all you can do is bash it before it even has a chance cause again like our politicians you refuse to except anything the other side has to offer!

One minute you're so concerned for our children and then at other times you say "I'm just glad I wont be here to see it." Make up your frickin mind cause if your right about "reincarnation" (as if) you will be seein it in your future!

WHY DON'T YOU COME UP WITH THE SOLUTION YOUR DAMN SELF IF YOU'RE SO FRICKIN SMART!!