Which way does the nut go on?

[sigpower226]

Can anyone help me settle a bet? I say the nut on a machine bolt goes on rounded side down aginst the washer. There are a few lineman I work with that agree, some that disagree, and others that say it does not matter. Just wondering if anyone knows the designed way to do it!

[Pootnaigle]

In my experience if you are not using pal nuts put the square side down .if you are using them put the beveled side down as the pal nut gets a better grip against a flat surface.On curved washers The beveled side goes down always.

[sigpower226]

We use pal nuts on everything that does not have tension against them like pole top pins and split bolts.

[Highplains Drifter]

A square nut is a four-sided nut . Compared to standard hex nuts, square nuts have a greater surface in contact with the part being fastened, and therefore provide greater resistance to loosening (though also greater resistance to tightening). They are also much less likely to become rounded-off after repeated loosening/tightening cycles. Square nuts are typically mated with square-headed bolt.

[Lineman North Florida]

Whichever way it came out of my diddy bag.

[hotwiretamer]

I was taught beveled side down, though I would have to agree with LNF: "however it comes out of my diddy bag"!
Poot makes a good point with pal nuts, but I'm not sure that it really makes a difference. I know that it takes less galvanization off of the washer beveled side down, but out here in the west rust is definitely not a problem.

[Highplains Drifter]

I was taught beveled side down, though I would have to agree with LNF: "however it comes out of my diddy bag"!
Poot makes a good point with pal nuts, but I'm not sure that it really makes a difference. I know that it takes less galvanization off of the washer beveled side down, but out here in the west rust is definitely not a problem.


Are you referring to a pal nut as the six sided buddy nut? Now the four sided lock nut is designed to go on the crown or beveled side of the nut. I do know one thing on a steel pole with footer bolts if one installs the nuts upside down it is a quick way to get two checked.

[hotwiretamer]

Are you referring to a pal nut as the six sided buddy nut? Now the four sided lock nut is designed to go on the crown or beveled side of the nut. I do know one thing on a steel pole with footer bolts if one installs the nuts upside down it is a quick way to get two checked.

I was talking for wood, square pal nut, not hex pal nut.

[jerry]

Flat side down with Lock washer,retired after 40+ years as JL. Do the questions get any tougher?

[sigpower226]

Just like at work, everyone has their opinion but no one can back it up with any proof other than "just because". There must be a spec out there in some book somewhere.

[Lineman North Florida]

Just like at work, everyone has their opinion but no one can back it up with any proof other than "just because". There must be a spec out there in some book somewhere. I would personally think that flat side of nut to flat washer would be the proper way to do it on wood poleline hardware, just my opinion didn't read it in any book, we use spring washers between the nut and washer and I've never been able to see what difference it makes in that application.

[bumpah]

the beveled crown was origonally designed for your wrench to fall into place easier

[LEAFMAN]

Like with everything else, the engineers must have an opinion?? not that it makes a lick of difference. We also use them which ever way they come out of the tool tray.

[hotwiretamer]

Actually, I thought the beveled crown, was designed for the "Pal Locknut". Which I HATED!

After the inovation of the Spring Lock washer, it was just common sense to put the Flat side down.

Something else....Just for the record. I ALWAYS, "Squared" my washers too. It just "Looks" professional. If ya don't take the time to Square your washers on a crossarm or pole...use round washers.:D

Which might not be a bad idea. Sure would save some time. Course "Squarin your washers", don't really make any difference. It just shows the Lineman that comes to work on that pole...years down the road, that the lineman that built this pole...had some pride, in the way it looked.

I perfer diamond plating, myself!:D

[hotwiretamer]

This thread is too damn funny. I couldn't imagine a tailboard with all of you guys, we would never get pass the part of "which way does the nut go":confused:
Any body know which way is the right side up on the new plastic type spools these days?:D

[duckhunter]

Flat side down with Lock washer,retired after 40+ years as JL. Do the questions get any tougher?

How do they put the M on M & M's?

[birdog37]

Can anyone help me settle a bet? I say the nut on a machine bolt goes on rounded side down aginst the washer. There are a few lineman I work with that agree, some that disagree, and others that say it does not matter. Just wondering if anyone knows the designed way to do it!this is the way i was taught,more surface area to compress the lock washer and if you dont use a lock washer it will lock down tighter.

[Highplains Drifter]

Flat side down with Lock washer,retired after 40+ years as JL. Do the questions get any tougher?


Righty tighty? Lefty loosey??

[BillyMac]

Getting away from NUTS what's the size bolts do you use, eg. Kingbolts M20.

[heelwinch]

It's hard to believe this trade has come down to this question having so many answers..... It isn't a lug nut, flat side in

[heelwinch]

Getting away from NUTS what's the size bolts do you use, eg. Kingbolts M20.

Any distribution I ever dealt with was all 5/8's... transmission was 3/4 and 5/8 depending on the structure.

I don't know the conversion to metric for you .... and I really don't care either.

[polehiker]

This discussion can't really be serious. Put the damn nut on and tighten it. Personally I liked the diamond configuration of the square washer Swamp.

[topgroove]

This discussion can't really be serious. Put the damn nut on and tighten it. Personally I liked the diamond configuration of the square washer Swamp.

Every once in awhile we have discusions like this. It gives swamp a chance to participate in the linework forum. It gets away from his evil obama the socialist monster rant for a few minutes.

[MI-Lineman]

I gott agree with heel on this one?:rolleyes: For God's sake people!:confused:

[MI-Lineman]

Mike maybe you should put the questions to your horses. One hoof stomp for flat. TWO for rounded side down, and raised tail for I don't give a sh!t.:eek:

:D Well I care I just didn't think it's worth the time debating? Me, flat side against SQUARED washers!

[LAMartin.CVEC]

There was nothing to debate. It even comes on the bolt from the manufacture the right way.

And this is exactly why I have such a hard time understanding this thread, however the responses have provided some good laughs.

work safely,

L.A. Martin
Journeyman Div III
CVEC

[LAMartin.CVEC]

So tell the truth: how many of ya went into the warehouse today and checked?

Rofl

work safely,

L.A. Martin
Journeyman Div III
CVEC

[Highplains Drifter]

And this is exactly why I have such a hard time understanding this thread, however the responses have provided some good laughs.

work safely,

L.A. Martin
Journeyman Div III
CVEC



And why is the thread on nuts hard to understand? At least it isn’t left or right handed… :D

[LAMartin.CVEC]

And why is the thread on nuts hard to understand? At least it isn’t left or right handed… :D

Thank you for getting that, most guys at the shop think I'm insane for the way I think. It works for me.

[Highplains Drifter]

Thank you for getting that, most guys at the shop think I'm insane for the way I think. It works for me.


I think you and I would get along fine working together and the only thing I will refuse…….........is a cutout door!:eek:

[aateuscher]

Flat side down with locks or springs other side down all other times.

[reppy007]

wish they would have asked me that one when i took my apprentice verbal test,heres a better one,when i was a 4th -6 months apprentice when we had truck drivers,before the lineman got our cdls,i told our truck driver that down-under when they set poles that the auger-bit spun counter-clockwise,since hurricanes rotate differently,well guess what,the truck driver fell for that one,i bet he went home telling his wife that story.