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Gang-raped Saudi teenager recounts her horror story

November 30th, 2007 - 2:06 pm ICT by admin ( Leave a comment (http://www.powerlineman.com/lforum/#comments) )


London, Nov.30 (ANI): A Saudi teenager who was gang raped and bizarrely sentenced to receive 200 lashes by that countrys judicial system, has claimed that she has struggled to get the police to take action, and is simply distressed by her harrowing court appearances.
According to The Independent, the victim who has simply been identified as the “Qatif Girl”, said that while her plight has made international headlines and caused acute embarrassment to the House of Saud, her ordeal began with a telephone call.
“I had a relationship with someone on the phone,” she recounted to Human Rights Watch.
“We were both 16. I had never seen him before. I just knew his voice. He started to threaten me, and I got afraid. He threatened to tell my family about the relationship. Because of the threats and fear, I agreed to give him a photo of myself,” she said.
A few months later, she said, after she had been married to another man, she became concerned that the photograph might be misused and asked the boy to return it.
He accepted on the condition that she would meet him and go for a drive with him. She agreed, reluctantly, to meet the boy at a nearby market. They were driving towards her home when a second car stopped in front of them, she said.
“I told the individual with me not to open the door, but he did. He let them come in. I screamed,” she added.
She and her companion were taken to a secluded spot where they were both raped, many times. “They forced me out of the car. They pushed me really hard. I yelled out, ‘Where are you taking me? I’m like your sister.’ They took me to a dark place. Then two men came in. The first man with the knife raped me. I was destroyed. If I tried to escape, I don’t even know where I would go. I tried to force them off, but I couldn’t. In my heart, I didn’t even feel anything after that. I spent two hours begging them to take me home,” she said.
The second man then raped her, then a third.
“There was a lot of violence,” she said. In the hours that followed her attackers told the girl they knew she was married. A fourth man and then a fifth raped her too.
“The fifth one took a photo of me like this. I tried to cover my face, but they didn’t let me.”
Her ordeal continued after the fifth rape. Two more men, one with his face covered entered the room and raped her. She repeatedly asked what time it was and was told 1am. Afterwards all seven men came back and the girl was raped again.
Today she lives under effective house arrest. She is forbidden to speak and may be taken into custody at any time.
The religious police monitors her familys movements and their telephones are tapped.
Her lawyer, Saudi Arabia’s foremost human rights advocate, Abd al-Rahman al-Lahem, has been suspended. He has had his passport confiscated and faces a hearing next week in which he may be disbarred.
The crime of “Qatif girl”, it seems, has been to refuse to be silent about what has happened to her.
The 19-year-old first sought to bring to justice the seven men who raped her, then complained in public when the courts saw fit to sentence her to 90 lashes for “mingling”, the crime of being out in public with a male who was not her relative prior to the attack.
Coverage of the case this month in the usually tightly censored Saudi media infuriated the authorities. They increased her sentence to 200 lashes and six months in prison. Her sentence still hangs over her.
Prince Saud al-Faisal was forced, much to his annoyance, to answer hostile questions about her case at the Middle East peace talks in Annapolis this week.
“What is outraging about this case is that it is being used against the Saudi government and people,” he told reporters.
The Saudi Justice Ministry has launched a deliberate “campaign of defamation” against the girl, said Farida Deif, a Middle East expert with Human Rights Watch, who is among the few independent observers to have met the girl.
“They are saying she is not really a victim. They are implying she was an adulteress. They are saying she was undressed before the attackers entered her car,” Deif added.
Despite the prosecution’s requests for the maximum penalty for the rapists, the Qatif court sentenced four of them to between one and five years in prison and between 80 and 1,000 lashes.
They were convicted of kidnapping, apparently because prosecutors could not prove rape. The images recorded on the mobile phone were presented in court, according to her lawyer, but the judges ignored them.
Under Saudi Arabia’s strict interpretation of sharia law, women are not allowed in public in the company of men other than their male relatives. Also, women in Saudi Arabia are often sentenced to flogging and even death for adultery and other perceived crimes.
In addition to these intimidating barriers facing the victim in a country with possibly the worst women’s rights record in the world, the girl was also a member of the persecuted Shia minority and her attackers were Sunni. This sectarian divide would be crucial to what happened next. (ANI)

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Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor

2007

March 11, 2008



The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a monarchy, ruled by the Al Saud family, with a population of 22.7 million, including 6.1 million foreigners. Since 2005, King Abdullah bin Abd Al‑Aziz Al Saud has ruled the Kingdom and serves as custodian of Islam's two holiest sites in Mecca and Medina. The government bases its legitimacy in governance according to its interpretation of Islamic law (Shari'a) and the 1992 Basic Law. The Basic Law sets out the system of government, rights of citizens, the powers and duties of the government. The law also provides that the Koran and the Traditions (Sunna) of the Prophet Muhammad serve as the country's constitution. In December 2005 the country held male‑only elections on a nonparty basis for half of the members of municipal councils, the first elections for any government position since 1963. The civilian authorities generally maintained effective control of the security forces. During the year, the following significant human rights problems were reported: no right to peacefully change the government; infliction of severe pain by judicially sanctioned corporal punishments; beatings and other abuse; arbitrary arrest and detention, sometimes incommunicado; denial of fair public trials; political prisoners; exemption for the rule of law for some individuals and lack of judicial independence; restrictions on civil liberties such as the freedoms of speech, including the Internet, assembly, association, movement, and religion; corruption and lack of government transparency. Violence against women and discrimination on the basis of gender, religion, sect, and ethnicity were common. Limitations on the rights of foreign workers remained a severe problem.

heres the full link
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2007/100605.htm


Clearly swamprats cries of socialism are the direct result of his years as a Saudi slave.He will defend his Saudi masters to no end. Swamprat the subserviant slave.

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Discrimination against Women
Women in Saudi Arabia face pervasive discrimination, ranging from strictly enforced gender segregation in public places -- including schools, universities, and the workplace -- to unequal legal status with men in matters relating to marriage, divorce, and child custody. Saudi women do not enjoy freedom of movement, are not permitted to drive, and lack equal rights with men with respect to transmission of their nationality to their children. Women viewed as not in full conformity with the traditional restrictive dress code, or in the company of men who are not spouses or close male relatives, are subject to harassment and abuse by the "religious police" -- the government-funded Committees for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice.
There are no women's rights organizations in the kingdom, and no women members in the appointed 120-member Consultative Council, which serves as an advisory body to the executive branch of government. The government's highly publicized ratification in 2000 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women has not resulted in specific initiatives to promote and advance the rights of Saudi women on an equal basis with men. In fact, Prince Nayef, the interior minister, said famously in January 2001 that public discussion of women's rights was "out of the question," and that "such a debate would be useless and produce a hollow exchange of ideas." At a press conference on April 26, 2001, Prince Nayef confirmed that the government was not considering lifting the ban on women driving. "It is not possible, and there are no studies on the subject at all," he said.
In one positive development, the government recently began to issue identity cards to women, pursuant to a decision reportedly made in November 2001. Previously, women were not permitted to hold identity cards in their own names and carried "family cards" under the names of their husbands or fathers that did not include their photographs. In explaining the move, Interior Minister Prince Nayef said on December 10, 2001, that the identity cards, which include a photograph of the bearer's face unveiled, "will allow women to perform all their activities with ease without fraud that is committed in the name of a woman because of a lack of proof of her identity." He added that the new system "in no way means an end to women's modesty or to exposing them to unveiling, anything shameful, or any violation of Islamic law."
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/saudi/

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this video explains it well!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a85_1179140337&o=1

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Got Oppression? Saudi Kingdom Keeps Women in the Stone Age

July 1, 2010 by Anushay Hossain (http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/author/anushayhossain/) · 8 Comments (http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/07/01/got-oppression-saudi-kingdom-keeps-women-in-the-stone-age/#respond)

http://msmagazine.com/blog/files/2010/07/milk-splash.jpg (http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/07/01/got-oppression-saudi-kingdom-keeps-women-in-the-stone-age/milk-splash/)Dear Saudi Arabia: Has anyone told you it’s the year 2010 and you can stop with the ludicrous rulings scaling back women’s rights and, specifically, their mobility?
Last week, a court in Saudi Arabia sentenced four women and 11 men between the ages of 30-40 years to flogging and prison for “mingling at a party.” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/22/saudi-arabia-convicts-15_n_621259.html)
While this is absurd, to say the least, it becomes downright hypocritical paired with another news item out of Saudi Arabia earlier this month, when Muslim scholars came up with a hare-brained plan for women to start breastfeeding their male drivers.
It all started when Sheikh Abdul Mohsin al-Abaican, a consultant at the Saudi Royal Court, issued a fatwa (what else?) stipulating that there should be a symbolic bond between unrelated men and women who regularly come into contact with each other.
Since Saudi women are not allowed to drive, one group of men they regularly come into contact with are their male drivers. So another Saudi scholar followed with the brilliant recommendation that women “donate their breast milk to men.” After all, in Islam, breast milk kinship is considered to be as good as a blood, explains the Gulf News (http://business.maktoob.com/20090000482126/Saudi_women_threaten_to_breastfeed_drivers/Article.htm). This way the drivers can become the women’s sons, to save women from the sin of going around with men who were not related to them! Yay! Mission accomplished, morality saved!
Before you jump off a bridge over the insanity of this, take a moment to applaud Saudi women, who instead of giving up all hope in this culture of anything-absurd-towards-women-goes, took this opportunity to intensify their campaign to gain the right to drive. Journalist Amal Zahid said that the slogan of the campaign will be: “We either be allowed to drive or breastfeed foreigners!”

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Shock horror! Child marriage still an issue in Saudi Arabia!


"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)." -- Bukhari 7.62.88 (http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.088)
This is Muhammad's example. It will be essentially impossible to keep Muslim men from emulating his example as long as he is held up as the supreme model for conduct (cf. Qur'an 33:21).
Sharia Alert from the Kingdom of the Two Holy Places: "Child marriage still an issue in Saudi Arabia," by Joel Brinkley for the San Francisco Chronicle (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/03/13/IN5D1CD71L.DTL), March 13:

Saudi Arabia has a serious child-marriage problem. It's emblematic of the nation's struggle between modernity and traditional Islam. But the lives of thousands of little girls are being destroyed as the Saudi government ponderously debates a solution.
Child marriage has been acceptable, even encouraged, in many Islamic states since the religion was born. After all, among the prophet Muhammad's dozen wives was Aisha, who is believed to have been 6 or 7 years old when the two were married. But in Saudi Arabia, at least, the practice slammed headlong into modern values last spring, when a Saudi court refused to nullify the marriage of an 8-year-old girl from Unaiza to a man in his late 50s.
Over the past few years, long-standing social practices in Saudi Arabia have been thrown into the glare of world opinion, embarrassing the state and forcing at least cosmetic changes.
In 2006, for example, a judge sentenced a young woman to 200 lashes and several months in prison for being alone in a car with a man she was not related to, where they were attacked and she was raped. Opprobrium from around the world rained down on Riyadh. President George W. Bush asked: "What happens if this happens to my daughter? I'd be angry at a state that does not support the victim." King Abdullah commuted the sentence.
In 2008, one of the nation's most senior religious authorities directed that two reporters for a mainstream Saudi newspaper be executed for publishing stories suggesting that religions other than Islam are worthy of respect. Once again, the cleric's remark spawned international outrage, and the cleric's order was ignored. Then came last spring's court ruling on that 8-year-old wife....
Saudi Arabia is hardly the only state facing this problem. Last year, Turkey made it legal for 12-year-olds to marry, if their parents agree. The Turkish Statistical Institute estimates that one-third of the state's brides are under 18. In Yemen and Bangladesh, even among some sects in Burma, child marriage is commonplace. The victims, in those places and elsewhere: little girls who are forced into wasted, often miserable, lives....

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Ahhhh, I am wantin to go to the charming Saudi Arabia........sounds like these psychos need some edumacating......sounds like the Saudi women are starting to think for themselves.......and boy would I like to give them a hand in proclaiming human rights, independence, and power as a gender who has long been ruled by the iron hand of(male) religious headcases. What century is this?
Females being forced to marry as children and consumate a marriage as a nine year old. That is just freaking sick, I dont give a shit what religion you practice. This is the year 2010, what the hell? There are not enough women over the age of 18? or the males cannot wait till the female is a woman to marry(in a prearranged situation)?.......... which is also medieval.

Female giving breastmilk to drivers, to form a bond with them. That is sick! I'd feed my driver a "knuckle sandwich" the first time that became an issue.

and they call us "infidels?":rolleyes:

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Building a mosque at the site of one of the most heinous crimes commited against humanity by a group of people who practice the beliefs(in some perverse distorted way)of Islam, is in my humble opinion, a horrible thing to put the families affected by 9/11 through. I know all Muslims do not believe as the terrorists do, there are Muslims who love this country as much as many natural born citizens, but.......I feel it would just be too traumatic for the families to have to live with. Any other place but there. Although years have passed, the wounds are still too fresh, and for many....will never heal. To have a mosque there would continue to assault the wounds of all these people. It shows a great lack of respect to the victims and their families....just my opinion.

So back to Saudi Arabia.......You lived in a country that treated women and young girls like that....for 20 years? Did you just turn a blind eye? Did you ever speak up against it? You never thought of taking your family away from a society that condoned such actions? There are certain customs that we should expose ourself to and try to understand.......but those customs? I think not. Bottom line is if you believe in something or vehemently disagree with something....You stay and fight for what you believe is right, or if not possible, you leave and go back to your own country of birth..... that more matches your values, as to not expose your family to such evil. Explain this to me......cause I am not gettin it.....what would make a person stay in such a society for 20 years? I hope the money was worth it:(

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Building a mosque at the site of one of the most heinous crimes commited against humanity by a group of people who practice the beliefs(in some perverse distorted way)of Islam, is in my humble opinion, a horrible thing to put the families affected by 9/11 through. I know all Muslims do not believe as the terrorists do, there are Muslims who love this country as much as many natural born citizens, but.......I feel it would just be too traumatic for the families to have to live with. Any other place but there. Although years have passed, the wounds are still too fresh, and for many....will never heal. To have a mosque there would continue to assault the wounds of all these people. It shows a great lack of respect to the victims and their families....just my opinion.

So back to Saudi Arabia.......You lived in a country that treated women and young girls like that....for 20 years? Did you just turn a blind eye? Did you ever speak up against it? You never thought of taking your family away from a society that condoned such actions? There are certain customs that we should expose ourself to and try to understand.......but those customs? I think not. Bottom line is if you believe in something or vehemently disagree with something....You stay and fight for what you believe is right, or if not possible, you leave and go back to your own country of birth..... that more matches your values, as to not expose your family to such evil. Explain this to me......cause I am not gettin it.....what would make a person stay in such a society for 20 years? I hope the money was worth it:(

OK here is the "pot calling the kettle black". You condone Swimp for working in a foriegn country where he was obviously a "god" of linework.
Yet here you are trying to make your way through to retirement, in a job you are obviously, besides your Union support, unqualified for.

Try an apron on for size... just for shits and giggles... see how it fits.

[electriklady]

"condone" swamp working in SA? Did I miss something? Did I sound like I was agreeing with what he did? Or cant you read?


Guess what heelgrinch......Right after I come home from work......I kick off my steel toe work boots, dump the fr clothes, put on some female clothes, and my LOVELY apron, and it fits just fine, just like my "day job" clothes.

Now I have a suggestion for you.......why dont you try a muzzle on for size.....just for shits and giggles, and see how it fits.......I hear they are a great deterrent from letting the ignorance festering inside of your head escape through your mouth.

Oh and by the way asswipe, If I werent qualified for my job, I wouldnt have passed the 4 tests to get where I am now......7 years later....and I wouldnt be doing the work everyday!

[electriklady]

Sorry EL but it is only what you think is the most heinous crime committed in the USA by foreigners.

It isn’t anywhere near the most heinous crime let alone against humanity.

But then, it’s all about You’all.

By the way the relatives of those killed on 9/11 association haven’t got a problem with the mosque on that site.


CL, I didnt say that it was a heinous crime commited in the US.....I feel it is one of the most heinous crimes commited anyplace. There were many other nationalities killed in that attack, all a senseless, brutal loss of life commited by Muslims. Dont include me in the "It's all about you'all" club, cause that is not where I am at, nor have I ever been.............................................. .... I havent read what the families of the victims feel about the proposed mosque at the trade center site, but assumed it would be like "rubbing salt in an open wound." If they have no problem with it, then it should not be an issue. I assumed it would be too painful to them. If the ones most affected are not offended, then I think everyone else should be able to deal with it, unless, of course, there is some political agenda going on here(as usual).....if the families dont have a problem, who does?

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That doesnt sound familar at all! Guess I ain't up to date on my history lessons! Oh well, 9/11 was quite a tragedy and I hope it is the worse tragedy I will have to see in my lifetime but the way this world is going I seriously doubt it. Not only was that day bad but continuning into today with our troops steadily facing casualties as we sit over in Iraq 9 years later. Maybe one day the troops will be able to come home I heard Obama make some rant that they would be home at the end of this month then in the same sentence say it will take several years because we are going to leave some troops to support security efforts in Iraq. I really don't think the USA is going to settle a war that has been going on for THOUSANDS of years, must be another agenda than that! But oh well we will do as we are told because we are good little Americans :D

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Did you work close to the crack Swamp?

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I would never step foot in that disgusting place. Swampass worked there for twenty years whoring himself out to these bastards. They see nothing wrong with taking children and forcing them into marriage with old men, some as young as eight years old. Saudi Arabia IS A NATION OF CHILD MOLESTERS!!! No Swamp$hit feels the need to spread his twisted political views on this board. Go back to the Saudi kingdom and spout-off how amature the government is. Lets see how long you keep your head.