Execution by Firing Squad???!!!!

[electric squirrel]

Why do you even open your mouth?

[Trbl639]

In Utah.........they give them a choice.............Electric chair..........lethal injection............firing squad........I think they ought to bring back a high limb and a short rope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[electriklady]

A couple of weeks ago I was watching that show on MSNBC.....Lockup.....and that is where I first heard about the Utah rule. It seems prior to 2004 inmates on deathrow had the option for lethal injection or firing sqaud, and inmates who made that choice prior to 2004 would have their wishes honored. One of the inmates on death row was actually telling the film crew that he(who had been on death row for many many years) had made the choice of firing squad once all of his appeals were exhausted.

I was quite shocked to see that it was still an option myself.

[topgroove]

if I were on the firing squad my shot would end up in the guys bean bag:D

[electriklady]

It was explained on the show that one of the "shooters" has a blank in his gun, and no one knows which one is the blank, soooo all of the men carrying out the execution have the thought that they may have had the blank and not actually killed the inmate. That tells me it must be a very difficult thing to live with if they go to those measures during the execution.

I am assuming even the most callous person who has any morals at all would have a hard time lining up in front of a blindfolded man strapped to a chair and firing rounds at him..... murdering scum or not. It is just not a natural act, if one is not defending his own life or the life of his loved ones.

Probably why they did away with it.....and in case you are thinking I am defending the inmates, I am not........just making an observation on what the men carrying out the execution might be dealing with.....dont know.....never shot anyone nor do I ever want to.

[terminater]

Hey E lady any one who has ever shot a gun will know if there are blanks in there gun , so the real shooter will know it was him, also have any air conditioning or is it only for the elite who sit on there a$$$$$$es all day lo ng? work on that one for me. 2 and one half days to go, ohhh; how I :mad:love it ,jumping ship is funnnnn........................................... ...........:D:D:D

[electriklady]

They filled the dummy bullet with wax to make a more realistic recoil, also when there is a known "conscience round" it has been found that the shooters pay less attention to the recoil, especially when looking back on the execution. There will always be that doubt.

[MI-Lineman]

No matter hows it done someone has to initiate some process in order to have an inmate put to death? Whether the shooters, the person fillin the syringes, firing up the chair, or even the very people convictin the offender? I don't like death penalties but ****? What the hell else we gonna do?

To me the chair would be the worst!:(

[electriklady]

With the lethal injection, it is my understanding that it is a very sterile, almost medical-like action. They start an iv, and the machine does the rest. The physician takes vitals once the syringes are emptied.

The electric chair....wow....now I have heard some horror stories on that form of capital punishment.....Can you imagine.......YUCK.

The firing squad....now there is a bloody scenerio......pretty tough on the eyes I would imagine.....I understand the electric chair could produce a lot of gore also.

I am also not a fan of capital punishment...but.......I dont have another answer to that situation either. I know the biblical verse...an eye for an eye....but still struggle with the morals of it......especially like what Steve said........What if an innocent person is put to death? Mental Illness....another issue. If a loved one of mine were murdered or raped etc I may not struggle with the issue so much, as I might be consumed with wanting revenge......human nature. Some of those guys are just animals, I dont kid myself on that.......but........it is still just a tough subject for me to get a handle on.

[Edge]

The Chair would be my way of leaving...

Ride the Lightening!!!

Edge

[MI-Lineman]

With the lethal injection, it is my understanding that it is a very sterile, almost medical-like action. They start an iv, and the machine does the rest. The physician takes vitals once the syringes are emptied.

The electric chair....wow....now I have heard some horror stories on that form of capital punishment.....Can you imagine.......YUCK.

The firing squad....now there is a bloody scenerio......pretty tough on the eyes I would imagine.....I understand the electric chair could produce a lot of gore also.

I am also not a fan of capital punishment...but.......I dont have another answer to that situation either. I know the biblical verse...an eye for an eye....but still struggle with the morals of it......especially like what Steve said........What if an innocent person is put to death? Mental Illness....another issue. If a loved one of mine were murdered or raped etc I may not struggle with the issue so much, as I might be consumed with wanting revenge......human nature. Some of those guys are just animals, I dont kid myself on that.......but........it is still just a tough subject for me to get a handle on.

That's what I mean though! Someone ultimately is responsible for killin that person!

Hey CL! What would you recommend? I know...were just such a violent country compared to yous eh?:)

[MI-Lineman]

[QUOTE=Swamprat;82641]I'd me more than happy to volunter my services.
.45 cal. Right up aginst the temple. "Here one minute...then gone"...No Pain at all.


You know I could....comment that is but....I'm sure someone else is thinkin what I'm thinkin so they can say it!:cool:

BTW! I'm not totally against the death penalty! I can't imagine someone doin the kinds of thins you hear about to my family? I'm sure I would want mine!!! I just wish there was a different way? I know, there ain't so carry on!

[electriklady]

You honestly would have no problem putting a gun against someone's temple and taking away the only thing we come into the world with.....the ability to "be".........?I thought that was the mindset of the animals(murderers):confused:

[electriklady]

Your post is exactly what I was talking about..........with the "conscience round" or any other method of capital punishment...I dont know how anyone could be involved with something like that and not be affected or maybe even changed. I dont know how a moral person could not be. Some people take "life" very lightly, I think those are the ones that have never been through things like you have been through, death is abstract for them. I look at it differently for another more personal reason.......but you painted a "true" picture with your post. At the time you were a medic you probably did it and thought it had no affect on you, till you were out of that situation and back to normal life, and your anger was ruling your life(I am just taking a guess here, correct me if I am wrong) This is gonna get a little "funky" here for you guys but......I think the human mind and emotions can only take so much of something like that before it kinda goes haywire(to put it simply)......It could manifest in the form of uncontolled rage, suicide, alcohol abuse, or drug abuse, etc but it ****s you up. That is why I asked Swamp if he would really have no trouble taking another persons life. I myself, cannot imagine doing that in any capacity and retaining any semblance of sanity or at least any piece of mind. I think maybe that is one of the reasons that family members have such a hard time when the end is near for a loved one, and there is NO quality of life left and it is time to stop the machines. It almost feels like you are responsible for their death, and the thought that if they are still breathing(even by machines) at least they are still here. I have personally been through that scenario with a loved one and was the one who signed the DNR form against others wishes, and I still struggle with that act to this day and that was 15 years ago. I just could not overlook the quality of life vs the quantity of life, if ya know what I mean. The hardest thing I ever had to do, and hope that when it is my time that it will not be an issue for my daughters, a living will only makes their wishes known, it doesnt make it any easier to have to deal with it.

As for Swampy, Charles Manson is an animal, and as far as I can see has been a waste of space for his entire adult life, I am not sure if he is just plain insane or just purely evil. He is one of those extreme cases SBatts is talking about(I think)....To be honest...I would feel nothing if he were put to death tomorrow.....The man is an abomination to mankind.

[Orgnizdlbr]

Like most every civilized country on earth Canada does not have capital punishment.

Can you explain to me how murdering someone in cold blood is justified? Worse still you hold them on Death Row for years then take them out one day and just murder them.


Also we have found a fairly high number of those found guilty were found not guilty years later.

Hmmmm.... lets see.....you will not agree, but that is niether here nor there.

Gardener killed an attorney in a botched escape attempt from a court house. He also shot a court officer who survived but was never the same the rest of his life. He got the gun from inside the court house from an accomplice who planted it = premeditation. He was there on a prior murder charge, to which he subsequently pleaded guilty to 2nd degree murder. During his incarceration he shanked another prisoner.

As for your comment about being found not guilty years later, obviously not in Gardener's case. He did it in front of many people and the carnage only ended when Gardener himself was shot, too bad he wasnt fatally shot, would have saved the penal sytem alot of money.

As for sitting on death row for years, that happens to be a consequence of the great american Constitution, a document that doesnt apply to you in Canada. He received his "due process" and "equal protection" and after those avenues were exhausted, he was executed according to Utah law.

Rather than lament over a murderer, I would think a rational thinking individual would consider the person/persons killed by the man. Consider the instantaneous loss of a loved one taken by a sociopathic murderer. Consider the children, if any, who's daddy will never come home. Consider the pain and suffering the wounded endured during the recovery period and the physical loss never recovered for the rest of his life.

I dont lament, weep and moan over a man like Gardener, the fashion and manner in which he met his fate is immaterial, albiet much too long after the fact, he got what was comming to him. Good effen riddance!

[topgroove]

I would have no problem killing an evil murderer. Personelly I feel killing them one at a time is a waste of money. I propose executing them twelve at a time strapped to a chair with 2400 volts DC. The twelve execution chairs would be arranged in a circle with the murderers all facing eachother.
suddenly the song "Pop goes the weasle" would play and when the song ended one of them in random order would light up. When the smoke cleared the song would start up again. The Public could watch the whole thing on PPV and even place bets on who is the last to go.:D

[MI-Lineman]

Like most every civilized country on earth Canada does not have capital punishment.

Can you explain to me how murdering someone in cold blood is justified? Worse still you hold them on Death Row for years then take them out one day and just murder them.


Also we have found a fairly high number of those found guilty were found not guilty years later.

NO! But WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE? SHOOT'EM SOONER? If you imprison someone for 15 or 20 years only to find out they're innocent is that "humane?"

I wasn't tryin to piss ya off I was really wonderin what you would have done? Just throwin a little humor in a nasty subject that's all!:o

[LostArt]

I'm with Steve, I believe in capital punishment when it's rape(s), murder(s) and especially to children. Why keep them around? Especially if it's multiple times! In these cases, I don't care HOW they are executed. My way of thinking, a firing squad wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment!

[electriklady]

I have to wonder................we seem to have a lot of murdering, raping, and I put child molesters in a whole sub category below rapists animals in this country.........Serial killers.....look at that sick **** Dahmer.....does anyone know what the crime statistics for those kinds of crimes are in other countries around the world? Is it that we just dont hear about them? ****, it just seems we are overloaded with em.

[climbsomemore]

for all the arguments about executing a person who is actually innocent we never talk about how many IRON CLAD Guilty people we keep on as lifetime wards of the State.

Do the crime... hire a lawyer who stalls your trial around for several years... Get convicted anyway... run you series of appeals... no new evidence ever comes forth... If you got DEATH you die.

I know we cannot go about hanging people from trees... but when we did the word got out.

The simple fact that so many of us go around LEGALLY ARMED these days makes some criminals think twice.... Knowing that you WILL DIE at the hands of your STATE if you survive the commision of the crime would slow all but the most arrogant of criminals

[wtdoor67]

Judging Others
Lk. 6.3738, 4142
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you
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I am not religious by any mean, however, the bible is so eloquent at times.

Execution, I'm far it at times and against it at times. Killing in self defense? It's a reflex, I think, but being the instrument of execution? Don't know. Killing in war? I'm sure most could do it, but I know it would wound your mind forever.

To me being like Ghandi or maybe Martin Luther King with non-violence being your way of life would take more courage than being in a conventional war. Putting people in prison for the rest of their natural life is actually more cruel in my way of thinking than being executed. However being executed puts the act itself upon the conscience of the nation in some way. Even if the executed was guilty of the crime there are so many factors. The trauma of their life, phychological makeup, or perhaps an element of irrational thinking or insanity that we have not discovered yet.

One manner of thinking for me is to consider them as a rabid dog. We can't cure them and we can never trust them. Just eliminate them. It will be on our conscience forever.

Of course it is possible to overthink these matters. Simplicity is sometimes better. Maybe someday someone will have an answer. After all supposedly Cain was not executed. They just allowed him to be married. Maybe that was his punishment. What do the girls on here think?

[electriklady]

Yes WT, killing as a line of defense is part of that "flight or fight" thing that is naturally engrain in all species. It has nothing to do with thought, it is a reaction for survival. Killing in a war, again some of the same above thought, but with some other factors added in..... fighting for a cause you believe in, a percieved threat to a ideal you believe in, retribution for a wrong done to others, etc etc.

I also agree that being a person of peace would be as difficult or more so, than being a person of war or death or killing. I guess a lot of people could kill another......I KNOW I could not(might be a female thing)....I could, in self defense or defense of another.....but you are right it would wound a person mentally, no matter the cause. Some may not think it would, but I just really feel it would.....To kill without a conscience makes up the same as the murderer we put to death, and I know we are not.

I really am not sure there is an answer to this topic, I know it is costly to house and feed an inmate for decades, but with those types of crimes they just should not be put back out into society. Maybe the answer is to concentrate more on the inmates that are in for non violent crimes, make them grow food at the prison, make things that can be sold to the public, make a prison more self sufficient, take away the luxuries such as tvs, books, exercise time, they lost the right to such pleasures by breaking the law, putting less of a burden on taxpayers and just lock the killers, rapists, child molestors, etc away and throw away the key. I agree, to have to spend the rest of your life locked in a cage is far more torturous than that day you get the news you are gonna be put to death, and you panic, and then it is over. Day in and day out in a cage....seems far worse to me. You're right, you sure can overthink the subject, and I am torn down the middle in it.

As for Cain's punishment.........I have to say from my point of view.......MAYBE.......I agree just a wee bit.

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmm I bleve he purposefully chose the firing squad to prolong his miserble life. He was well aware that it would be an anomolie and cause an uproar mongst the general public, Maybe even enough to get his sentence commuted to life. My understanding is that he faced 5 30 caliber rifles from a distance of 25 ft and all but one had a live round innem. I spect they pinned a target on his chest bout at the location of the heart and everbody shot for the bullseye. Ummmm But kinda like somebody else said I prolly woulda been a bad shot n blowed off his balls. Its my understanding that he was only the 3rd guy to face the firing squad in many many years.

[Pootnaigle]

Ummmmmm nuffins rong wif us we like killin chit ......... shame they dint eat him.

[topgroove]

Is that Series or Parallel Circuit and wouldn't AC be better for the effects of Pop goes the Weasel. I've seen that 2400 burn small holes in concrete and the holes glow red like a Ruby Laser. But 33kv slice of arms like a surgical knife.


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I think lower voltage DC is definatly the way to go ... slow cooking from the inside out has got to be way more painful. Maybe start at 24DC volts and slowly work your way up to 2400 volts DC. strapped to a chair watching the ******* next to you cook slowly has got to leave an impresion as your about to meet the same fate:)

[LostArt]

Ummmmmm nuffins rong wif us we like killin chit ......... shame they dint eat him.


http://www.avowners.com/forum/smileys/laugh002.gif

[topgroove]

why start with the man titties.... should of started with the sausage first:D

[MI-Lineman]

Man CL! That's low!:( I now see your point is just to start sh!t and anger people? Why do you not come up with a solution? Why are you avoidin that particular question man! Why now are you all of a sudden now on a crusade to end the death penalty? You didn't know the US had this before? Come on Man! You're startin to sound like your old pal Swampy!:eek:

BTW! To compare the death penalty for convicted rapists, murders, and a few more to the Nazi gas chambers?:confused: That's just ignorant! You're a lot smarter then that!

Hey! What's hat mean in your signature? If you basically don't agree with what your troops are fightin for then what, stand in front of them? Kind of like what the Nazis thought isn't?

[Edge]

if its proven beyond the shadow of a doubt... put them in the room with this old fu(K.... I'll hack their head off with my Kershaw for free...

I have no patience for child molesters murders or rapist...

and will not suffer that as long as I breath...

and I'll sleep well after that...

but I've been ****ed up since 72

Edge

[heelwinch]

There could only be one thing better than ending the life of a rapist, child molester, or serial murderer.

Catching CL within our borders, convicting and sentencing him to DIE.

[MI-Lineman]

If you think, MI, my putting the picture of the “slow slicing” thing was a low blow what about the couple members that commented that if on the firing squad in Utah they would have shot Gardner in the testicles. Don’t tell me I’m only causing ****. What a ghoulish statement to make.

If you don’t feel queasy over that statement I don’t know what the hell would get through to you’all.

I'd like to say we're all a bunch of fun lovin peaceful "You Alls" like up in your "Great White Nort" but of course neither is completely true!:( I do think the pic AND the comparison to Nazi Germany were low blows since you asked! As for the posts about shootin a criminal in the balls, I guess I can't say I approve but I wouldn't start castin stones at people just for what they may say as everyone tends to have their own version of a sense of humor?:confused: I know I've said things in the past that I thought was funny and others didn't! You?

[topgroove]

Canada is a beautiful country, too bad its full of Canadians:)

[MI-Lineman]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SEX_OFFENDERS_TREATMENT?SITE=NYONI&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I GOT IT! WE COULD START SENDIN THEM TO CANADA!!! IT WOULD BE LIKE OUR AUSTRALIA!!:D

[slimdalineman]

start a new thread titled "nosy and self righteous useless canadians, executed in the USA, can you name any???????":D

[slimdalineman]

sentence maleicious criminals to life working at Pike and they could carry out their own sentence of execution...right to work gets accomplished, execution gets accomplished and noone ends up at a shrinks office for their head being all jagged up:D

[topgroove]

that's a fantastic idea only i'm afraid if we sent them to work for pike we'ld run out of criminals real quick. I bet their quality of work would improve though.

[wtdoor67]

You can't please em. I bet they'd ***** if they were hung with a new rope.

Bullets are better than arrows, spears or stones. I know, we'll just make Swimpy a traveling executioner. He can just strangle them with his bare hands. Just pay him mileage and a super 8 motel. Just think of the money we'd save.

[electriklady]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20000915-504083.html
Swampy....... here's a job for ya..........

Can you believe there are such sickos in this world?:mad::mad::(:(



I cannot even believe there are people like this in this world.

[electriklady]

I am out in western PA today and just saw this story on the local news, I only caught the tail end of it, but I think they couldnt decide whether to give him the death penalty or not.......anyway I caught his name and googled it and that link is what I found........****...that is beyond evil.


Swampy, I have already had my episodes with sickos, so yes, I have several guns and took classes on firing them.....and have shot them often. This is how I know I could shoot someone in self defense. Also I am always very aware of my surroundings, and a bit paranoid since my first episode with a sick SOB stalker creepoid. That is a long story, but.....if anyone thinks that kind of thing cant happen in rural areas...I am here to tell you it can, and is quite frightening.

[electriklady]

CL, Paranoid maybe was too strong of a word, I dont walk around in a state of constant fear, I dont walk around armed, I am not always looking over my shoulder....I just try not to put myself in a situation where trouble can more easily happen........I lock my doors......I dont dismiss strange noises outside my house at night(no I dont run to the door gun in hand)....I am just more AWARE of my surroundings. I had 3 very frightening experiences where I learned that there are bad people, and yes even in my rural area. I one time came home to find a man running out my door, to find my home ransacked.....and 2 different incidents with stalkers....I didnt become this way for no reason......it was born out of necessity. Just far more cautious, more aware, and a bit untrusting, not nutty or anything like that:rolleyes:


Dont think I could be classified as a "male laxative" type:D

[west coast hand]

screw the firing squad bring back public hangings i bet people would think twice before they commit a crime

[MI-Lineman]

You'd be fine, Swampgas, if the opponent were unarmed and his hands securely restrained behind his back and feet chained down. I have no doubt about that. You’d probably enjoy shooting someone in that state.

But you had your chance to show your mettle back in the ‘60’s but couldn’t (:rolleyes:) go. Them sneaky little Cong fellers shoot back, ye ken? Those all trussed up like a Sunday chicken cain’t possibly hurt ye back, eh you’all???

I wondered when someone would finally bring that up?:D WHAT TOOK YA SO LONG?:rolleyes: You're slippin CL!;)

[heelwinch]

CL you can't handle your own problems, now they are leaking into our country. Fukkin canucks




Leek moth threatens plants in St. Lawrence County
'DREADED PEST': Insect damages onions, garlic, related plants
By SUSAN MENDE
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An insect blamed for damaging onions, garlic, leeks and related plants has crossed the Canadian border into St. Lawrence County and now poses a threat to growers throughout the state, a county agricultural official said Monday.

"This is not a happy welcome," said Stephen F. VanderMark, a resource educator with St. Lawrence County Cornell Cooperative Extension. "This is a dreaded pest that could become a serious threat to our local growers and large-scale agricultural producers."

Leek moths originated in Europe and arrived in Ontario in 1993. The first confirmed case in the United States was found in Plattsburgh in June 2009.

On Friday, specimens of two caterpillars and one adult moth taken from garlic plants in the village of Canton tested positive at Cornell University's Department of Entomology, Mr. VanderMark said.

[Orgnizdlbr]

You didnt comment on this statement either CL, perhaps you just overlooked it eh? I'll cp it for ya......still beating your chest weeping and moaning over murderers I see. Begs the question doesnt it......what is wrong with you?????



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Originally Posted by CanadianLineman http://ww3.powerlineman.com/lforum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ww3.powerlineman.com/lforum/showthread.php?p=82649#post82649)
Like most every civilized country on earth Canada does not have capital punishment.

Can you explain to me how murdering someone in cold blood is justified? Worse still you hold them on Death Row for years then take them out one day and just murder them.


Also we have found a fairly high number of those found guilty were found not guilty years later.

Hmmmm.... lets see.....you will not agree, but that is niether here nor there.

Gardener killed an attorney in a botched escape attempt from a court house. He also shot a court officer who survived but was never the same the rest of his life. He got the gun from inside the court house from an accomplice who planted it = premeditation. He was there on a prior murder charge, to which he subsequently pleaded guilty to 2nd degree murder. During his incarceration he shanked another prisoner.

As for your comment about being found not guilty years later, obviously not in Gardener's case. He did it in front of many people and the carnage only ended when Gardener himself was shot, too bad he wasnt fatally shot, would have saved the penal sytem alot of money.

As for sitting on death row for years, that happens to be a consequence of the great american Constitution, a document that doesnt apply to you in Canada. He received his "due process" and "equal protection" and after those avenues were exhausted, he was executed according to Utah law.

Rather than lament over a murderer, I would think a rational thinking individual would consider the person/persons killed by the man. Consider the instantaneous loss of a loved one taken by a sociopathic murderer. Consider the children, if any, who's daddy will never come home. Consider the pain and suffering the wounded endured during the recovery period and the physical loss never recovered for the rest of his life.

I dont lament, weep and moan over a man like Gardener, the fashion and manner in which he met his fate is immaterial, albiet much too long after the fact, he got what was comming to him. Good effen riddance!

[MI-Lineman]

Perhaps you don’t realise you actually did not ask for a comment you said, “…you will not agree….”.

Yes, you were right in your assumption I do not agree.

I did not say I condoned murder in any degree or in any way including State performed whether by bullets, gas, drugs, hanging, drowning or any other device your imagination can whip up. I also believe assisted murder (Commonly called suicide as suicide is a homicide), euthanasia, revenge murder (which is pretty much what you’all talk about), Ethnic Cleansing, mercy killing or a new one to Canada recently “Honour Killing” are all crimes against Humanity.

Shooting people “in the balls”, bravely trussing them up like a Sunday chicken ready for the oven then shooting them in the head, lynching and all other forms of Macho vigilantism is mob mentality and has nothing to do with anyone who is mature and believes in human rights or a proper Justice System.

Of course I have stated on numerous occasions that the US of A collectively acts like a bunch of adolescents with a loaded pistol who just shot 4 ounces of “Jack" cut with Red Bull.

Bourbon, by the way, is the most disgusting whiskey on earth.

I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW PERFECT YOUR COUNTRY REALLY IS??:rolleyes:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BLUNDER+THAT+COST+A+DECENT+MAN+HIS+LIFE%3B+How+jus tice+system+left+a...-a0143251887

This with out tryin hard either! First thing that popped up! Come on CL what's really goin on here?:confused:

[MI-Lineman]

I never said Canada was perfect. Far from it, it isn’t and has a very long way to go to even come close. MI I am here to point out the differences between the US of A and Canada.
We have many similarities and to a casual observer they might be indiscernible, however we are kilometres apart in fundamental ideals.

Sorry you so easily take offence. You, though, are not unlike to my fiends and family in the US in that I cannot say what I feel when in their company because they become very agitated if the topic comes up where they think even mild criticism of the US is evident, real or not – even in jest. You’all simply need to lighten up or wear your pantyhose a little less tight.
Powerlineman.com allows me the opportunity to express my opinion without having a brawl with my ‘Merican cousins and friends. Few in the you’all land get it because they see so very few differences between our cultures and if they do they simply see a much smaller country they can “roll over and crush”. Canada has been Canada for more than a hundred years as a sovereign despite you’all and I can predict another hundred years of sovereignty. Beyond that I wouldn’t give even chances that the US can remain sovereign.

So, in the long run and at the end of the day wake up and smell the roses.


Sorry MI but that is just the way it is

Uh? You really need to take a closer look at your own past responses to any posts that may cast Canada in a bad light to you! I'm not "agitated" and I don't want to "role over" your country! I find it funny you can't see your own arrogance? No matter who you talk to from Canada it's not true unless CL says so!:rolleyes:

Again, I don't like the death penalty either nor do I like it when the judicial system fails and truly innocent victims suffer for it LIKE WHAT HAPPENS IN EVEN YOUR COUNTRY ALSO!! I do not claim to have the answer to this dilemma but of course I'm not the one who started this thread either? I and I'm sure others know the differences between our countries and the difference is most of us "You'alls" don't need to start sh!t with the other side simply cause we don't agree with you and we need to see ourselves repeatedly say how much better we are? Sounds like ya got an inferiority complex?:D

[topgroove]

An Englishman, a Canadian and an American were captured by terrorists. The terrorist leader said, "Before we shoot you, you will be allowed last words. Please let me know what you wish to talk about." The Englishman replied, "I wish to speak of loyalty and service to the crown." The Canadian replied, "Since you are involved in a question of national purpose, national identity, and secession, I wish to talk about the history of constitutional process in Canada, special status, distinct society and uniqueness within diversity." The American replied, "Just shoot me before the Canadian starts talking."

[MI-Lineman]

So we’re back to “I have this friend who says a friend lived in Canada and it stinks.” Eh?

There have been a number of Canadians enter this site over the last several years but end up leaving rather quickly, never to return, because of the abuse they run into. Why do you think I’m the only one here???? A clear target. But be careful, I bite.

If you want to argue with me supply verifiable facts – not editorialised articles out of the media, not rumours and hearsay, not your opinion – pure verifiable facts. Then we can debate the issues in a concise point-counterpoint forum.

No we're not CL! Calm down! Now who's agitated?:rolleyes: Usually your "facts" are only backed up by the words "Everyone in Canada knows that!"

If you can get defensive about your country I can and will about mine! I never "abuse" you but you continually bash the country I live in and love! I'm sick of you thinkin you have free run of your mouth about us "you alls"! Your Country is better TO YOU and that is an opinion like mine is better to me and that is MY OPINION! They both have good and bad, a FACT we must deal with!:(

Back to the topic though....WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE? HOW WOULD YOU FIX IT???

[MI-Lineman]

Here CL...Here's one who won't be executed!! Maybe not even sentenced to life?:confused:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUCK_BODIES?SITE=NVLAS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[MI-Lineman]

I think I was pretty clear in that. Capital punishment is barbaric and not the type of thing a civilized population does to other people. Canada doesn’t practice Capital Punishment nor do 6 of the G-8 countries, Japan being the only other member that does and to a much lesser extent than the USA.

Also the USA incarcerates far more of its people than almost anyplace on earth depending upon whose statistics you chose, however even with statistics that show the USA is not the highest it certainly is highly competitive for 1st place. So when the USA ranks in the top 10 in the world for number of executions and is the highest for “jailing” people can you give me one reason why I shouldn’t consider the USA suspect of violating human rights????

Who else would consider a place like Guantanamo Bay where the USA has kept people prisoner for the better part of a decade without charges or trial and torture is the norm??

Are you comfortable with this kind of degradation of Human Rights???

What would I do to fix it you ask???? Afford people their Human Rights, Freedom and the Pursuit of Happiness. Or is that only colourful prose in the US Constitution reserved for a select few?

But Canada did? Now that you don't I see you can easily look at your countries past through "Rosy Glasses?":rolleyes: Like mistakes made in your countries past Guantanamo (BTW NOT ALL OF US CONSIDERED IT THE "NORM!") was a mistake and is being dealt with but you can not include the punishment of convicted murderers and terrorists in with the "degradation of Human Rights!" Like your country we do "jail" felons and I wonder if the size of our population is considered? Also, are you takin in account our laws? Prostitution isn't legal in most of the US but isn't it in Canada? What about drugs? Are your laws as stringent as ours? Or are these laws that are only hindering "peoples Freedom and Pursuit of Happiness?":rolleyes:

["little beaver"]

Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Most people in the United States, Britain and Canada support relying on the death penalty for homicide convictions, according to a poll by Angus Reid Public Opinion. 84 per cent of respondents in the U.S., 67 per cent in Britain, and 62 per cent in Canada share this view.

A majority of Canadians have consistently supported the Death Penalty. In Alberta, which has the highest percentage of REAL PEOPLE, support runs about equal with that of the US. There are a few reasons that the crime rate in Canada is lower than the US and everyone is going 'to skate around that one'!!

["little beaver"]

I think the question was "Do you support the Death Penalty for Homicide?" Pretty straight forward. It was taken in Jan 2010. Angus Reid is a highly respected in the polling business.

If you work on a Line Crew ask the same question, I'm pretty sure that you will get the same result.

I have some reservations about it, but like some people have been posting on here, I just don't see any way around it. Our incarceration/crime rate in Canada is so low that I quess it's easy for us to just lock these people up.

As far as the US is concerned, yes we do find humour among ourselves, sort of the way that you joke about the 'hay wire' relative. But in the end of the day, we know that our survival and continued prosperity is mutual.

The part that is frustrating is that they could learn some things from us. My Dad had a saying, "it's a poor man that you can't learn something from". I've always tried to keep that in mind.

Our form of Government is less open to corruption and crazyness and through time Canadians just have a calmer approach to things.

Finally I appreciate your candidness, but that's where you and I are quite different. I find people that have divergent views from myself to be very interesting. I like to sit down and talk with them to see where they are 'coming from' etc. That's what makes life ineresting. for me

[heelwinch]

I think I was pretty clear in that. Capital punishment is barbaric and not the type of thing a civilized population does to other people. Canada doesn’t practice Capital Punishment nor do 6 of the G-8 countries, Japan being the only other member that does and to a much lesser extent than the USA.

Also the USA incarcerates far more of its people than almost anyplace on earth depending upon whose statistics you chose, however even with statistics that show the USA is not the highest it certainly is highly competitive for 1st place. So when the USA ranks in the top 10 in the world for number of executions and is the highest for “jailing” people can you give me one reason why I shouldn’t consider the USA suspect of violating human rights????

Who else would consider a place like Guantanamo Bay where the USA has kept people prisoner for the better part of a decade without charges or trial and torture is the norm??

Are you comfortable with this kind of degradation of Human Rights???

What would I do to fix it you ask???? Afford people their Human Rights, Freedom and the Pursuit of Happiness. Or is that only colourful prose in the US Constitution reserved for a select few?

When was the last time canada had three planes with extremist muslims at the wheels careen into 3 buildings and kill thousands of your citizens then crash a fourth into a frild illing those aboard?

They could sit in guantanamo bay and rot for all I care.

When was the last time you country was attacked by suicide bombers in airplanes, taking out a substantial part of your Navy, killing hundreds of soldiers and civilians?

How many current illegal aliens are residing in canada, raping and killing your citizens?

Comparing cananda to the United States of America is like comparing Massachusetts to Europe.

Besides that, Nobody really gives a **** about you anyways... the US tries to appease you so you don't raise the tax on your beer.

You aren't related to Bob and Doug are you?

["little beaver"]

About you and me sitting down calmly, I doubt that. I still remember your role at BC Hydro in Ft St. John. A lot of really good people took a hell of a **** kicking then, some never recovering.[/QUOTE]

Just where do you come up with such ridiculous nonsense?? I was not only the Foreman I was the Shop Steward by unanimous decision of the crew. I had probably the biggest retirement 'do' ever held here. On BC Hydro time and property !! I still meet with the guys on a regular basis and 'regal' the young ones with tales of yesteryear.

If you can't 'sit down calmly' and talk to someone normally that doesn't necessary share your exact viewpont, well???????

Where do you live and where do you work at??

[wtdoor67]

Two or three Canucks on this board and they're already at each other's throats. HolY Mother, will it never stop? Lewy where are you? Separate them buddy. The whole spacious North and not enough room for the two.

If nobody had showed at your "retirement do" would you have admitted it?

Like a bunch of Rabid dogs. Reminds me of Americans.

One guy I knew of showed at his little retirement do. He walked in with a little cassett recorder. Turned on Johnny Paycheck, "Take This Job and Shove It", turned and walked out the door and left them staring. My kind of guy.

[MI-Lineman]

Your kidding, Right Beav? C-lick?
Tell where he Lives and works?:D
You KNOW better than that man!!

Some one with that much pride you'd think would say where?:rolleyes:

["little beaver"]

One guy I knew of showed at his little retirement do. He walked in with a little cassett recorder. Turned on Johnny Paycheck, "Take This Job and Shove It", turned and walked out the door and left them staring. My kind of guy.[/QUOTE]

Hey Door, that`s Cool. As much as I liked my job, I can`t say that the above didn`t go through my mind a couple of times in 30yrs.

I worked with only one `Okie` and that was with Harp Line Construction in 1973. His name was Blackie --------(can`t remember) and this guy was super Cool. He was a dust bowl survivor and he talked and worked real slow.
He was a firm believer in `Big Foot`. He lived in a cabin up past Columbia Falls and he said he could hear the `Big Foot` hooting at night. Black bears hoot or make a sort of woofing sound, but old Blackie was sure it was the `Big Foot`. It`s working with those sort of characters that made Line Work so much fun!!

Oh Yea, there was a guy there from California that had a real good looking half breed Cherokee wife from OK

[wtdoor67]

Oh Yea, there was a guy there from California that had a real good looking half breed Cherokee wife from OK

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I only remember working around 2 Canucks. One named Gash. Got in trouble one time. He was a transmission inspector and being an old const. hand was good at sagging transmission wire. Union Power I believe it was, got him to do their sagging on a line he was inspecting. For this he would get a small "stipend". Once his "stipend" check was inadvertently sent to his inbox in Portland while he was in the Wyoming area. His boss discovered this check and it **** near cost him his job.

The other was our safety man for awhile. Don't remember his name. Seemed a good guy though. After seeing a lot of the McKenzie bros. etc. I was amused by some Canuck oil field hands we ran into. They actually did end their sentences with EH. Good guys.

[heelwinch]

How could I ever possibly become as informed as you about world affairs?

You don't stand a chance... so why don't you STFU. Or at least try and stay within your bounds of expertise, ya know like ping-pong and snow ball construction.

[topgroove]

You don't stand a chance... so why don't you STFU. Or at least try and stay within your bounds of expertise, ya know like ping-pong and snow ball construction.he cant do either worth a $hit ask him about the tittie bars in Toronto and Montreal:D

[heelwinch]

he cant do either worth a $hit ask him about the tittie bars in Toronto and Montreal:D



Well.. he didn't reply to me so I am assuming he is studying up on Snow ball construction.

Don't know nothin about the titty bars. That's a city thing and none of my relatives that I visited up there have anything like that around their towns.

[heelwinch]

I have worked a number of times that went through that BC Hydro thing in the eighties. He seems to know all about Ft St John as he worked around there through what he calls “The Bad Days”. Says that in ’84 to ’86 there was more Alberta Rat linemen contractors in the Ft St John Lineroom than BC Hydro linemen and they pretty much took over the “Bull Room”.

So how were you a foreman with BC Hydro when they never use foremen in the regular forces even in the ‘70’s?

Foreman and Shop Steward. Come on Beaver, is this an exaggeration or just an outright lie?? Or was it that bad there where foremen were actually shop stewards as well. I have heard most owners of private contractors were also the shop steward in BC, and I have heard it from a lot of different sources. But foremen with BC Hydro, when they never used foreman, and shop steward??? Are you really asking me to swallow that???


Now you got an idea why I wouldn’t sit down with ya, eh dude???

Actually I should be through Ft St John in July. I gotta look at a job north of there. But I think I’ll drink with people I like.

By the way. How many of those you worked with prior to 1983 attended your send off to retirement??? How many “rats” were there???? (As if I’m going to get a truthful answer )
Oh, I'm in Rouleau, SK. Heard of it??[/QUOTE]








Holy ****... in '83 you were 15 years old... were stringing line then? You have quite a chip on your shoulder for such a young lad..... with no experience.

I think you, MI and Bellamy should start you own " we are the KING of linemans" forum. It would be a big hit with all the new apes.

You could talk about how to properly use the buttsqueeze, and reminis about how the old boys did it. Ya know setting 100's with pikes and dozers. You'd have them all bedazzaled.

Your a joke.

[MI-Lineman]

Holy ****... in '83 you were 15 years old... were stringing line then? You have quite a chip on your shoulder for such a young lad..... with no experience.

I think you, MI and Bellamy should start you own " we are the KING of linemans" forum. It would be a big hit with all the new apes.

You could talk about how to properly use the buttsqueeze, and reminis about how the old boys did it. Ya know setting 100's with pikes and dozers. You'd have them all bedazzaled.

Your a joke.[/QUOTE]

THE ONLY REASON THE F$CKSQUEEZE IS HERE IS CAUSE OF "OLE TIMERS" LIKE YOU WHO COULDN'T KEEP YOUR HOOKS IN THE WOOD WANNABE!

STILL TO SEE YOU PROVIDE ANY QUALITY INPUT IN THE "LINE WORK" FORUMS? OH, TOO TECHNICAL FOR A DOZER OPERATOR HUH?:rolleyes:

[MI-Lineman]

Seriously MI?
You KNOW better than that man. Really. "WANNABE"?
The man was a REAL Lineman, before You EVER even thought about Linework.

Fu$kin punk ass. Guys like YOU...are the "New Linemen". You're gonna be an "Old timer" MF'er. But YOU...won't EVEN deserve that nominclature.:(

Haven't you learned yet? Again you try and blow this phony and he'll continually cut even you down!:rolleyes: A "REAL LINEMAN" ISN'T AFRAID TO HELP ANOTHER OUT AND FOR **** SURE DOESN'T NEED TO HEAR (or see!) HIMSELF REPEAT OVER AND OVER HOW GREAT HE THINKS HE IS!!! F$CK HIM AND F$CK YOU!:D WHO'S TUGGIN ON SHIRT TALES NOW HEEL???:cool:

AND DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT BEING A "REAL LINEMAN!" YOU SHOWED YOUR DUMB ASS AGAIN IN THE LINE WORK THREADS! TRY SETTIN POLES WITH A ROPE AND A SET OF BLOCKS IN A BACK YARD DAY IN AND DAY OUT WITH EVERYTHING ENERGIZED! EVERYONE HAS SET TALL POLES! SO THE F$CK WHAT! DO IT WITH ROPE AND YOUR BACK "PUNK!"

["little beaver"]

Just where do you come up with such ridiculous nonsense?? I was not only the Foreman I was the Shop Steward by unanimous decision of the crew. I had probably the biggest retirement 'do' ever held here. On BC Hydro time and property !! I still meet with the guys on a regular basis and 'regal' the young ones with tales of yesteryear.

If you can't 'sit down calmly' and talk to someone normally that doesn't necessary share your exact viewpont, well???????

Where do you live and where do you work at??

I have worked a number of times that went through that BC Hydro thing in the eighties. He seems to know all about Ft St John as he worked around there through what he calls “The Bad Days”. Says that in ’84 to ’86 there was more Alberta Rat linemen contractors in the Ft St John Lineroom than BC Hydro linemen and they pretty much took over the “Bull Room”.

So how were you a foreman with BC Hydro when they never use foremen in the regular forces even in the ‘70’s?

Foreman and Shop Steward. Come on Beaver, is this an exaggeration or just an outright lie?? Or was it that bad there where foremen were actually shop stewards as well. I have heard most owners of private contractors were also the shop steward in BC, and I have heard it from a lot of different sources. But foremen with BC Hydro, when they never used foreman, and shop steward??? Are you really asking me to swallow that???


Now you got an idea why I wouldn’t sit down with ya, eh dude???

Actually I should be through Ft St John in July. I gotta look at a job north of there. But I think I’ll drink with people I like.

By the way. How many of those you worked with prior to 1983 attended your send off to retirement??? How many “rats” were there???? (As if I’m going to get a truthful answer )



Oh, I'm in Rouleau, SK. Heard of it??[/QUOTE]

My 'official' title was (sub) Foreman. There were no Foreman designations per se in the Peace as in those days as we had Line Supervisors in every HG. The (S) Foreman then was the de facto Line Crew Foreman since that's the senior position.....dummy!

BTW: Mike St Germaine was Foreman in PG in the '70's and had (S) Foreman under him.

Yes, I was Shop Steward after Doug McKay was elected BM. He new that I could take care of Business!

Your loooking at a job 'north of Fort St John'. I doubt your even a Lineman........more nonsense!!

'I think I'll drink with people I like'.....you talk sooooo stupid!!

Now your going to talk about 'Rats'......seems that your desperate for a buddy of some sort.

1983......what's sense does that make?? You've been exposed....... your grasping and groping. It's sicking actually.

"Bull Room" what's that??.......where do you get these 'wet dreams' from? Never heard of such sh**.

Whose your 'make believe friend' that was in FSJ? Well, I quess it's better than no friend at all!!

[electriklady]

close your blinds, CL, Swampy is gettin "up close and personal.":D

[MI-Lineman]

I have the house on the left of the white one with the picket fence.

AND THE GRAPE VINES! DON'T FORGET THE VINES!!:eek: HOW MANY HOUSES IN CANADA COULD POSSIBLY HAVE VINES??:D

["little beaver"]

So, Beaver, you exaggerated about being a Foreman. You were a Sub-foreman, a three man crew – 1 subbie, 1 lineman & 1 driver or after ’84 1 subbie and 2 lineman. I guess FOREMAN sounds a whole lot better than sub-foreman, eh?? It ain’t no big thing, just that you had more seniority than the others. Don’t give yourself airs and graces. I’m calling you on it.


How many of those that you worked with prior to 1985 attended your retirement??? Very **** few I’m sure.

And you don’t know what a Bull Room is??? You lying *******. That room where the “crew” meets in the morning prior to shift and last thing at night when you wait till the clock goes past 4.

I can see the you’all slipping out of you. Why don’t you try a word processor, copy & past. But then sounding like a 14 years old can’t be corrected with a word processor, can it???

I really dislike and distrust double handled Mother Fu**ers wrapping themselves in two flags. You perfidious turncoat.

You phoney wannabe, I'm not going to continue to contend with you on such nonsense. The Subbie is the Line Crew Foreman in the BCH system. You just posted it!! It's a bid job, 10% over JM(BTW: gives you 10% more on your pension when you retire). Tell big Sam K the Transmission Crew Subbie that he wasn't the Foreman?? It's just a wierd BCH designation.

The "Bull Room" that's more of your fantasy world run wild? Like shooting Griz Bear in you back yard...........what a farcical thing you are!!

I bet you dream about us at night..........ha,ha!!

" I really dislike and distrust double handled Mother Fu**ers wrapping themselves in two flags. You perfidious turncoat"

I just loooooove it! People care less about your opinion..........your a fake. Your desperate man...........keep grovelling........

[heelwinch]

Regardless Beaver a sub-foreman is not a foreman and foreman is not a GF. You were a sub-foreman, end of story. You can exaggerate all you want but facts are facts.

How many of those in your Ft. St. John headquarters that worked there prior to 1985 attended your retirement??? How many Valard rats attended?????

I’m curios. Are you a Canadian-American on July 1, Dominion Day, and an American-Canadian on July 4, Independence Day???? How does that work??? Flip flop, flip flop.

There was a comedy movie once in B&W, I can’t remember the actor, but he dressed half in grey and half in blue during the American civil war. As he rode parallel to the lines one way he showed grey to the Confederates and blue to Union – they cheered him. When he turned the other way of course all changed and he showed blue to the Confederates and grey to the Union and they did all they could to kill him. This was repeated several times and it was hilarious. Do you wear stars and maple leaves all at once or at different times???

If I ever met your punk ass... you'd be seeing stars. The only maple leaves you'd have to worry about would be the ones falling on your grave.

[topgroove]

good to see your finally comming around CL

[topgroove]

Are you referring to my comment on altering my opinion on capital punishment when I indicated I might consider it for traitorous turncoats??? Executing traitorous turncoats... OMG:eek: we'ld have to kill swamprat.

[topgroove]

I've got more love of AMERICA and patriotism in my little finger, than you have EVER had in your your Whole body *******.:cool: hey at least I served... US NAVY nov. 1982 to dec. 1986 honorable discharge I was off the coast of beruit when the Marine barracks blew up. One of the most amazing things I've ever seen and will never forget is when the USS New Jersey opened up with their eighteen inch guns. I watched the intire city burn at dawn. Than we pulled up anchor and left. F them muslim camel f%*kers

[wtdoor67]

The guy went to a party. The host, his buddy said. I'm gonna introduce you to this broad, but be cool man as she's a Lesbian. The guy said. No sweat man. After the intro. he said. So Miss, how are things in Beirut?

Couldn't resist.

[topgroove]

Yeah you served the Saudi King... Didn't 19 of the 911 terrorists come from Saudi? I bet you helped make their lives a little more comfortable with electricity.

[topgroove]

You're one Ignorant "serving" SOB. You piece of ****. Fu$k you.

Like I said. I got more Patriotism and love for this country...than your little 4 year "honerable"..."did your duty" ass can or WILL Ever muster.

Fu$k you, and your 4 years of "service". Your ass was probably drafted....Kickin and screamin....uh no I enlisted, Your daddy served you were just a military brat. It show's too! Allways the first in line for your handouts but F%#k the rest. You *****d yourself to the Saudi King! Wouldn't be suprised if you wished you could service the king in other ways:eek: Like CL said... you paid no taxes and reaped benifits. A roof over your head free food, education, and cloathes all at the expence of working men and women here, yet you continue to bash unions and any cause protecting the rights of workers. You make me sick! Your a disgusting piece of waste and a waste of bandwidthto this forum!