Not a **** one of em is gonna do a thing about fixin..., education

[CenterPointEX]

Not a **** one of em is gonna do a thing about fixin immigration , education,or healthcare. Or bring the troops home! Any one wanna bet ?

Koga.............................................. ...........................................


Not a **** one of em is gonna do a thing about fixin immigration , education... ?

In this day of political correctness, we can no longer hold schools accountable because the schools are not allowed to require Johnny to Read, obey the teacher, or anything else... Johnny must be free to express himself in any manor that does not include God.

1962 Prayer was banned from school .

This evil prayer started the day in many a school prior to 1963.

"Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our Country.Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our Country."

George Washington made the Bible a required text book in public schools.

1963, the Supreme Court banned Bible reading and the Lord's Prayer and in public schools in Abington School District v. Schempp.

1980 The Supreme Court banned The Ten Commandments from Public Schools.

1987 In Edwards v. Aguilar, the court ruled that the state-mandated teaching of evolution and creationism side-by-side is unconstitutional.




This 150 yr old quote is attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville but is not found in his works.



"I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers — and it was not there … in her fertile fields and boundless forests — and it was not there … in her rich mines and her vast world commerce — and it was not there … in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution — and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteous­ness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."
Reguardless of its source, its truths reverberate over time...

[Koga]

pick at this. You made a good point , but that is just the beginning of the problem with education now a days. I was married to a teacher for 30 years and bless her heart, after teaching 33 years in public schools in the Baton Rouge area she could tell you some stories. Stories that would make wonder what kind of place do these kids come from and what has the school turned into.

Koga

[Koga]

education is, the feds can't fix it no matter who is in the white house or how many tax dollars they throw at it with thier mandated programs.That bein said the federal courts need to butt out and local government needs to really look at the problem with out all the political correct BS. Even the school board here is so out of it, it aint funny anymore.

Koga

[duckhunter]

While I agree we need to fix much in education; as a former school board member I can tell you that government is the problem, not the solution. As for prayer in school, our country was headed down hill before prayer was removed from school. And while I believe there are some good teachers, I don't want anyone but me teaching my kids to pray. If we ever get prayer back, we need to let the kids lead it, not the teachers.

[CenterPointEX]

The CenterPoint of my soap box herald was that the problem with todays schools is the morality of the players. Swamp, you are right in that schools indoctrinate... By their very nature they can not help but to do so. So... the only question is with what and by whom will they be indoctrinated... Kinder Garden is a term coined by Hitler... "Child Garden"

Currently the religion being taught in schools is Secular Humanism... and believe you me Ladies and Gentleman... Secular Humanism is without question a religion that rests on faith... "What Faith" is what the Problem is... consequently Survival of the fittest is the nature of the beast... and what you see is what you get...and if'n it feels good do it!

Back in the day the religion taught in the schools was Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself...

These days it is take what you can get before somebody else gets it...

[duckhunter]

Center,
I don't really feel that our problems are that we have kicked Christ out of school or because the Secular Humanists have removed Christ from Christmas. The problem, in my opinion is that we have removed Christ from Christians. Why are we always ready to fight the war battle that we have already lost? We were told to pray unceasingly, not unceasingly with government approval. The WWJD bracelets were always a joke to me, but I know Christ didn't go around arguing and fighting. He spoke the truth with love, that is what changed his followers. And like the people of today, many back then hated him for speaking the truth.

[Orgnizdlbr]

Ok Fowl Eradicator, from wince pray tell do educators derive the moral curriculum with which they currently indoctrinate our children? Like Swamp said, the schools do indeed indoctrinate our children. My niece when asked what the holidays meant to here began to talk about Jesus… at that Point she was dragged out of the classroom and admonished never to speak the name of Jesus in front of the other children again… Jesus was quick to speak the truth in the face of contention… “You brood of Vipers”… then he went on to whack them with the truth… For this he was crucified. But I digress… Yes, Indeed we have removed Christ from Christians… Folks now find refuge from God in Mega Churches that toss out the Word and tell folks what the want to hear… Very few denominations now preach the Bible as the True and Inerrant Word of God…

So the schools teach a religion… they teach a morality… What Religion and What Morality do they teach?.... Just look at the result of their teachings WaterBird Killer and you will find some clues... I mean outside of Biblical Morality... How do you tell a child he should cheat off of, or for that matter bang the sixth grade chick next to him? Swamp, if there is no such thing as Biblical Truth... or Absolute Truth then Truth is relative and thus we can not teach the children in the classroom that anything is right or wrong... lest we offend them... OMG! We should never burden children with the guilt of thinking they have a responisbility to some whacko religious code or Morality!

Come on Quack Arrestor... tell us again why you think the children are F@@kingg the Sh@t out of the teachers, their classmates and society...

Morality, guidance, discipline, right from wrong, and the lessons of how to live are taught at home by parents, not by some government employee in a state sponsored school. If the parents of this nation got off their dead asses and parented, there would be alot less BS in the schools. Who would your children listen to CP, you or some teacher they sit in front of for 5 hrs a week? Stop blaming all of the problems of the nation on the Godless Constitution. You're much smarter than that.......BTW, Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year!

[CenterPointEX]

Parents to contend that is... with the Truths being taught by educators with a knife to their throat...
Case in Point. OGB.. How does a kid reconcile truths of a parent who teaches from the Bible that sex is for married folk and a school system that passes out rubbers then transports kids who want abortions across state lines so their parents don't have to be notified?



I don't really feel that our problems are that we have kicked Christ
out of school ... The problem,
in my opinion is that we have removed Christ from Christians... We were told to pray
unceasingly,... but I know Christ didn't go around arguing... He spoke the truth with love,…
that is what changed his followers. And like the people of today, many back then hated him for speaking the truth.
Ok Fowl Eradicator, from wince pray tell do educators derive the moral curriculum with which they currently indoctrinate our children? Like Swamp said, the schools do indeed indoctrinate our children. My niece when asked what the holidays meant to here began to talk about Jesus… at that Point she was dragged out of the classroom and admonished never to speak the name of Jesus in front of the other children again… Jesus was quick to speak the truth in the face of contention… “You brood of Vipers”… then he went on to whack them with the truth… For this he was crucified. But I digress… Yes, Indeed we have removed Christ from Christians… Folks now find refuge from God in Mega Churches that toss out the Word and tell folks what the want to hear… Very few denominations now preach the Bible as the True and Inerrant Word of God…

So the schools teach a religion… they teach a morality… What Religion and What Morality do they teach?.... Just look at the result of their teachings WaterBird Killer and you will find some clues... I mean outside of Biblical Morality... How do you tell a child he should not cheat off of, or for that matter bang the sixth grade chick next to him? Swamp, if there is no such thing as Biblical Truth... or Absolute Truth then Truth is relative and thus we can not teach the children in the classroom that anything is right or wrong... lest we offend them... OMG! We should never burden children with the guilt of thinking they have a responisbility to some whacko religious code or Morality!

Come on Quack Arrestor... tell us again why you think the children are F@@kingg the Sh@t out of the teachers, their classmates and society...

[loner]

public schools have been dumbed down to the level of lunacy so the illegals can keep up,or should i have said maybe learn something.swamprat,about home school,we home school our kids.my 18 year old has started college.he has the highest grade in business class,algebra,world religion,etc.in his business class he got 100%on a term paper,one kid got a 90%.the rest were in the 60 to m70 %.thank god for his mother! didnt get it from me.

[Orgnizdlbr]

Parents to contend that is... with the Truths being taught by educators with a knife to their throat...
Case in Point. OGB.. How does a kid reconcile truths of a parent who teaches from the Bible that sex is for married folk and a school system that passes out rubbers then transports kids who want abortions across state lines so their parents don't have to be notified?





CP, you and I have been "talking" for quite some time. I know where you are coming from, I know what your opinion and positions are predicated on, I respect that, and I also believe you are much smarter than what is indicated in some of the statements you post.

You argue that a teacher who has a student an hour or so a day, say five hours a week, can undermine the moral foundation you have laid for a child, sorry, I dont buy it. Now, if every teacher a student has, say a math teacher, or an english teacher, or a science teacher delivers the same message as the teacher who you claim holds a knife to a child's throat, indoctrinates the child the entire school day, how long is the child in the school? Seven maybe eight hours tops, five days a week, 35 to 40 hours, you have them the rest of the time....see where I'm going????

Now, you assert that the schools pass out rubbers and transport kids across state lines for abortions, if it is true and you have a problem with it, what are you doing about it? I gotta tell ya, transporting a child across state lines for the purpose of abortion without parental knowledge is kidnapping in my book. I am not a betting man but I would lay odds that I could find a district attorney who would prosecute such a case. And further more, if I couldnt find a DA to prosecute, I'd have every news channel down to the school where I would carry my picket sign which would say, "Children Kidnapped for the purpose of Genocide." Point is, if the sentiment is strong enough against such practices, you can turn the tide and stop the nonsense.

But, alas, that brings me back to my original post. America has turned into a society who would have others raise their children, others discipline their children, others teach their children morals and right from wrong. It dont work that way brother, you know it and I know it. Many parents have no idea what their kids are up to or into, then when little Mary comes home knocked up or little johnny gets popped for doing blow they blame the system, that's BS. America has become a nation of couch potatoes who would have everyone do all for them, that's the problem. Parents need to get off their dead asses and raise their own kids, not expect some flunky state employee do it for them.!!

[Orgnizdlbr]

Cool post Labor. I love it when you really..."Talk".

I just got one question man. You say

"You argue that a teacher who has a student an hour or so a day, say five hours a week, can undermine the moral foundation you have laid for a child, sorry, I dont buy it."

Well, consider this thought.

When a "Teacher", in a class of 30+ "Children" makes a Point that disagrees with what has been "Taught at home".....is your kid gonna speak up against that "Teacher"?....AND...is your kid gonna come home and "TELL" you about what the "TEACHER" said, that disagreed with what Mom and Dad told me....
I don't THINK so. And the higher grade they get in "school"....the less likely that is.

Maby I'm wrong....I sure hope so....but not.

My son graduated from one of the most "Liberal" schools in the northeast. Major in History, Minor in Arabic studies, he reads, writes, and speaks Arabic fluently.

Well, you can guess what philosophies were set forth by professors at one of the most liberal schools in the north east.....yeah, he would call and tell me about it. He would usually laugh and say "listen to what I was taught this week dad".

If they have the foundation, they will do fine, but ya gotta let them think for themselves after a while, you been there with your daughter, you know what its all about man.......

My post was over simplified, you and I know it aint that easy. You gotta "teach" them at home. They are under tremendous pressure at school, peer pressure, pressure from home, pressure to excel in sports, pressure to excel academically, if ya provide them with the right direction, give them a solid moral compass, you have done your job, it dont get much better than that my friend.

[Orgnizdlbr]

No it don't man.

I just hope there's a lot more Americans like you and me.

Happy, Safe "New Year" Labor, to you and yours sir, and to America.

Right back at ya Swamp, hope the rest of your Holiday is great! From my family to yours, have a Happy, Safe, Healthy, New Year!!!

[LostArt]

This is pretty good reading guys. :D

Happy New Year

[CenterPointEX]

The knife is held to the throat of the teachers by activist judges to teach the curriculem set fort by the state.
CP, you and I have been "talking" for quite some time. I know where you are coming from, I know what your opinion and positions are predicated on, I respect that, and I also believe you are much smarter than what is indicated in some of the statements you post. Now, you assert that the schools pass out rubbers and transport kids across state lines for abortions, if it is true and you have a problem with it, what are you doing about it? I gotta tell ya, transporting a child across state lines for the purpose of abortion without parental knowledge is kidnapping in my book... "Children Kidnapped for the purpose of Genocide." Point is, if the sentiment is strong enough against such practices, you can turn the tide and stop the nonsense.
Dec 2007 (AP) The House voted Wednesday to make it a federal crime to transport a minor across state lines for an abortion to circumvent parental consent laws. Opponents said the bill, passed by a 260-161 vote, would hurt vulnerable teen-agers. The bill now goes to the Democratic-controlled Senate, where approval is doubtful, considering that the House has passed the same measure twice before and it has been ignored by the other chamber.


You argue that a teacher who has a student an hour or so a day, say five hours a week, can undermine the moral foundation you have laid for a child, .!! In grade school OGB in many districts one teacher posses the child all day... The Kids are then dumped off at the local child holding center to veggitate... ie a child care facility... The reason for this is that when you double the work force, you cut the pay in half... simple supply and demand economics... Now the mother and father have to work to make what the father made in years past... after day care the children are plopped in front of the television for further indoctrination while the parents hurriedly try to get dinner on the table pay bills etc. Parents have precious little time with their children anymore... This is the tragedy of Post Modernism.
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...if it is true and you have a problem with it, what are you doing about it?... Point is, if the sentiment is strong enough against such practices, you can turn the tide and stop the nonsense. What am I doing about it? Campaining for the truth... In any venue that will give me an ear... like this one here... Sunday School Class, Star Bucks, Letters to Congressmen and Senators etc. You probably did not know OGB, about this bill affecting the future of our children currently in embattlement... but now you do! I don't understand how a child can not take an asperin in school but they can get help with an abortion.

[Orgnizdlbr]

CP, did you read my post?
is kidnapping in my book...
I dont really care that H.R 1063 is pending, It dont mean a thing to me. You obviously missed the intent of my post. Go back and read it.

[CenterPointEX]

Dec 2007 (AP) The House voted Wednesday to make it a federal crime to transport a minor across state lines for an abortion to circumvent parental consent laws. Opponents said the bill, passed by a 260-161 vote, would hurt vulnerable teen-agers. The bill now goes to the Democratic-controlled Senate, where approval is doubtful, considering that the House has passed the same measure twice before and it has been ignored (not cared about) by the other chamber.

CP, did you read my post? ...
I dont really care that H.R 1063 is pending, It dont mean a thing to me. You obviously missed the intent of my post. Go back and read it. Yup, I read your post OGB... It speaks two messages... One, you think transporting kids across state lines for abortions to bypass parental notification is kidnapping... and Two You Don't Care...

[Orgnizdlbr]

Dec 2007 (AP) The House voted Wednesday to make it a federal crime to transport a minor across state lines for an abortion to circumvent parental consent laws. Opponents said the bill, passed by a 260-161 vote, would hurt vulnerable teen-agers. The bill now goes to the Democratic-controlled Senate, where approval is doubtful, considering that the House has passed the same measure twice before and it has been ignored (not cared about) by the other chamber.
Yup, I read your post OGB... It speaks two messages... One, you think transporting kids across state lines for abortions to bypass parental notification is kidnapping... and Two You Don't Care...

Read it again.............

[Koga]

You as responsible adults took care of your children. The teachers would love to have all parents do there jobs as parents.It would make thier job as teachers so much easier. But that aint whats happening and hasn't been in a long , long time. Remember the kid goes home to ????? at the end of the school day. And I'm not talkin mom or dad tired from work ! If you work for a utility in the city such as I do. Pay attention to whats happening in the street. Ever seen the kids being used to buy and sell drugs. What does a teacher do with a 5 year old who comes to school with " Pay Me" cut in his hair ??? How does she teach that child ? If and when the child does show up.
Theres a lot the public never hears or sees folks.

Koga

[Orgnizdlbr]

You as responsible adults took care of your children. The teachers would love to have all parents do there jobs as parents.It would make thier job as teachers so much easier. But that aint whats happening and hasn't been in a long , long time. Remember the kid goes home to ????? at the end of the school day. And I'm not talkin mom or dad tired from work ! If you work for a utility in the city such as I do. Pay attention to whats happening in the street. Ever seen the kids being used to buy and sell drugs. What does a teacher do with a 5 year old who comes to school with " Pay Me" cut in his hair ??? How does she teach that child ? If and when the child does show up.
Theres a lot the public never hears or sees folks.

Koga

One word Koga, although it will be the impetus for more discussion herehttp://ww3.powerlineman.com/lforum/images/icons/icon12.gif.....the word is sterilization.......

[duckhunter]

Center,
There is one other little problem you haven't addressed with prayer in school. Who is qualified to lead your children? I'll be it depends on denomination. Can Catholics pray correctly? What about Mormon teachers? Baptists, Lutherans, Assembly of God, Church of Christ, Nazerene, Congregationalists, Jehovahs Witness, Episcopal, Evangelical, Quaker, Christian Scientist, Mennonite, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Weslyan, Methodist. Who is okay to teach your child?

[PA BEN]

It starts at home. If our kids love the Lord and pray to Him they will be equipped for a day in the world ie; school and will be able to see what is false and what is not.:)