Utah-Utard highway patrolman!

[Patriot]

This young man hadn't signed the ticket, he was placing it in his pocket and walking away and the Utah HP (barney fife) tasered him twice, once after he had conformed to the cop. I think the HP was trying to impess the chick. This is what our country is coming to! A police state!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc

[Patriot]

Here is a little more from the SLTribune.

http://www.sltrib.com//ci_7544654?IADID=Search-www.sltrib.com-www.sltrib.com

And a few miles to the north, a deputy sheriff takes the law into his hands!

http://www.kidk.com/news/11676076.html

I heard from friends in Idaho this guy got suspened, and rightly so!

[Patriot]

Quote[I told you 5 years ago, that Ben Franklin Quoted: "When a person gives up freedom for safety, he will have neither". quote]


Sorry, but I don't think you told me **** 5 years ago!

[dirtdobber]

in my oppinion the cop is an *******. an old man once told me that 90% of cops are the bottom of the barrel this guy proves that theory. if you watch he gets out of his patrol car with an attitude no wonder why the driver was a pain in the ass but of course he lost due to the badge effect. he the cop looks like one that was picked on all his life and got kicked arond but now I have a gun and a badge and i will get even for all those miserable years i was picked on.:eek: :eek: bas**ards.

[Patriot]

SBATTS, show me where you told "ME"! I don't recall it , or recall a conversation between you and I ever!

Sorry! I could give a **** what Bush does, and it does not matter what you or I think or want, the professional politicians will do what they want. I quit voting on national elections when slick willy got voted in. You will get what they want to give you, when they want to give it! Corporate America is the evil step sister, and always will be! Who drives the wars, who attacks the working man? C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-E America! All in the name of profit, bottom line, and a fat CEO bonus!


Oh and back to the origanal post! The HP is a slip sh(t! Needs fired, and the 28 year old driver, needs well compensated by the tax payers of Utah!

[duckhunter]

Just as the video shows that are are jerks that become cops, this website shows that jerks can send emails.

I wonder if I'm typing this because George Bush is making me?

[duckhunter]

Hey Swamp,
You don't think Steve believes Hillary will change any of the homeland security laws do you? He can't be that much of a Kool-Aid drinker.

I am sorry if Steve got held at someplace, sometime for nothing he did. I believe you did ask what freedom HE lost.

[loner]

well batts,see you still have a fetish for sucking cock.you told someone 5 years huh?are you not the same ignorant piece of **** who guarenteed the draft would be started again if bush was reelected? go stick your head back in the toilet you **** joke.

[loner]

this is the reson i celebrate everytime a cop is killed.think he would have done that to a car full of gang bangers?

[Pootnaigle]

I'm with Batts on this one. Bush has done more to undermine your " Freedom" than anyone in our countrys history. But while we are on the topic please feel free to explain just what those freedoms are. Can you make the decision to wear or not wear your seatbelt? Well can you smoke anywhere you want?, Dont you need to be Liscensed by the state (That knows nothing of your trade) to perform electrical work? Well surely you can not stop at a traffic light that has no oncoming traffic from any direction without the risk of a ticket? Well maybe we could all just protest but wait they arrest those people too? My Guess is we are just free enough to act and do jus exactly like the government wanted us to. We are not so free that we can make thoughtful decisions on our own. Try haulin yer pistol on a road trip and gettin pulled over. Better have a valid ":Right to carry" permit. In short I bleve the land of the free is a bill of goods that people have heard so often they actually beleive it. And I consider myself a conservative

[Dave@PSE&G]

this is the reson i celebrate everytime a cop is killed.

What kind of F***ing comment is that? Batts may be a little nuts, but you're pathetic. What would happen if you didn't like a co-worker? Would you get hard when linemen die too? Jerk.

[Dave@PSE&G]

I still Back President Bush 100%, and "I" personally haven't lost ANY Freedom, that I've noticed.

Please stevie boy....Tell us What "Personal Freedoms" YOU have "Lost" under President Bush.

I'm so proud You remember and hate me the way you do.

I haven't spoken to you, or about you, yet you come on and make reference to me. I'm really glad you hate me that much that you think about me stevie boy.:p

It's liberal *******s like you, against conservative *******ls like me,

So Please...stevie boy...the next time you "grace us with your presence..."
here on Powerlineman.com....when you come to spew your ****.....

Tell us What "Personal Freedoms" YOU have "Lost" under President Bush.

This is like a walk down memory lane...

[loner]

i dont worry about lineman because they dont carry guns and tasers. also,with a lineman ,when i am arguing with them about something we work it out.he doesnt get so nazied up that he wants to seriously hurt me .put a cop uniform on a guy with short man syndrome and watch out.dont you think the cop had a hardon because he got to use his toy.

[Stick-it]

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a god****ed piece of paper'
By By DOUG THOMPSON

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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a god****," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a god****ed piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a god****ed piece of paper."

And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States is little more than toilet paper stained from all the **** that this group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that "god****ed piece of paper" used to guarantee.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the "Constitution is an outdated document."

Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It doesn't matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent. It doesn't matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine "in the end " if something is legal or right.

Every federal official - including the President - who takes an oath of office swears to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States."

[Stick-it]

I edited for length. If you don't like this guy, just google -- George Bush constitution. There are many to choose from.

I'd listen to your show.

[duckhunter]

Using a tazer seems extreme here from what we can see of this video. However, the cop new he was being taped so there might be a little something we don't know about that went on in the conversation.

There are bad cops just liekthere are bad linemen, we shouldn't let the bad apples in any group of people be used as the cookie cutter example of all the rest. That goes for our political beliefs too.

By the way I believed this while Johnson was president too. Anyone that comes on this website with that hate that is obvious with some here needs professional help.

[BigClive]

You guys are lucky. We're not even allowed tasers in the UK. They are classified as handguns with the threat of imprisonment if you own one.

Yup, the legal system here hates it when citizens have anything to protect themselves with.

[shaun]

From the video, and I could care less what he said to the officer, it doesn't justify the use of force the cop used. It's a stupid speeding ticket and the fella never showed aggression (sp?) towards the officer. (or," cop," rather as they tend to hate that) I hope the loser cop get's his a$$ busted because he was wrong. Refused to sign, here's your ticket, plead not guilty and go to the court. Have a nice Day.

[Dave@PSE&G]

You guys are lucky. We're not even allowed tasers in the UK. They are classified as handguns with the threat of imprisonment if you own one.

Yup, the legal system here hates it when citizens have anything to protect themselves with.

That's because the cops over there have nothing but a stick and a funny hat.

[Dave@PSE&G]

i dont worry about lineman because they dont carry guns and tasers. also,with a lineman ,when i am arguing with them about something we work it out.he doesnt get so nazied up that he wants to seriously hurt me .put a cop uniform on a guy with short man syndrome and watch out.dont you think the cop had a hardon because he got to use his toy.

I guess you never had a member of your family wear a badge and be killed in the line of duty. Sorry, sore subject with me. Nonetheless, it is an ignorant statement.

[loner]

no i have not had a family member killed in the line of duty,sorry if you did but what were the circumstances?my father in law is retired sheriff. heard plenty of stories about ....in with people for kicks.been harassed by cops myself,best one was when i read about the cop that killed himself over his ex.thought they had to pass a phsy test.no, i have no reaspect for cops,they are bullies period.if you dont thank so just start watching cops the tv show.

[shaun]

Well, first off the speed limit was 45 and the cop had to pull off the road to let the guy by he was goin so fast.

And Second, Guys like you, of which this guy is obviously one.... "could care less about Authority".

Evidently you feel you can say anything you want to a cop, including cussing them without reprocussions.

Look at the video again. I'm sure I see at least one "assh*le and one Fuc$ you" comin out of that kids mouth. And the expression on his face is in the VERY least "confrontational". Which is the last thing you do with a cop.

Sorry, that punk ass got just what his big mouth got him into. And I'd bet my ass the video will hold up in court in the cops favor.

I'm not real big on Authority myself. But I'm god**** smart enough to keep my big mouth shut when pulled over by a cop, and in no way aggitate him. It's the ONLY way to do bussiness with an officer.

I think you better look at that video again, and the punks expression and complete disregard for the officers orders. You don't consider That "aggressive" behavior? Well, ya better think again.

I suppose that's one of the "personal freedoms" you and stevie boy has lost under President Bush. The "right" to cuss out a police officer and completely dissregard his orders.


Who's stevie and what personal freedoms did I lose?

[Stick-it]

Freedoms Lost Under G.W. Bush
By Chuck Baldwin
2-23-5

For those who are willing to objectively analyze Bush's actions and policies, the truth is clearly seen: this President has systematically put in place laws, policies, and bureaucracies that can, are, and will continue to strip the American citizenry of the constitutional protections of their liberties.

Following are examples of freedoms which President Bush and his fellow Republicans in Congress have already expunged (as reported by the Associated Press):

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

These rights have already been lost! Whether individual Americans have been personally subjected to the resultant tyranny or not doesn't change the fact that they have already lost these freedoms! This fact, alone, should be enough for any studious lover-of-liberty to be outraged.

That good citizens are compliant and unconcerned regarding G.W. Bush's propensity to trample constitutional freedoms bespeaks a great ignorance or a great apathy, or both.

[Bull Dog]

I heard the cop was found justified in doing what he did and will not be subject to time off or anything. So weth'er we like it or not they can do this if the person is playing screw around with the officer like this guy was. Sorry I have to take the cops side. The guy was resisting and disrespecting the officer and getting in his face. If your smart you don't do this or you might find yourself in trouble. There is no way this guy will get anything out of this one. Meaning-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$- big bucks. He was a little too smart for his own good.

[shaun]

And Second, Guys like you, of which this guy is obviously one.... "could care less about Authority".

Swamp, you're out of your MIND! I served 6 years in the Military and have absolutely no problem with authority or following orders. I just stated that I think the officer over-reacted...in my opinion. I've been pulled over plenty of times and I treat the cops with the upmost respect everytime. Again, I felt the cop over-reacted. That's all. If all it took to be tasered is to tell a cop to fook off......well, ....we've got problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc

The whole video. I too, think the guy was an ass but not enough to be shocked for a simple speeding ticket. Cheers

[shaun]

Your opinion, is your opinion my friend.

There's alot more to this Vid than meets the eye man. What should the cop have done? In Your opinion? Just taken the insults and disrespect, and let the aggitated fool go back out on the Highway?

Sorry. No sympathy what so ever here.

Sumthinge like....here's your ticket A$$hole. Good Day sir.. With a BIG ASS GRIN on his face as he walked back to his cruiser. (yes, take the insults and laugh his arse off)

[Stick-it]

I don't care who said what. If something is true then it is true. Our wonderful pres has made it ok to use terrorism as an excuse to do what the hell he wants. We do have a constitution don't we? Oh, I forgot, it is just a **** piece of paper. Right?

I am all for going after terrorists, however being a CITIZEN of this free country with its trustworthy president we are protected by that **** piece of paper. At least we should be. If I had the least bit of say so, I would not give up any of my rights to that war monger, nor any one else for that matter.

In the name of terrorism.

[Stick-it]

You brought up your bushie. You are the one who asked what freedoms were lost. I am pointing a few out. If you look real close you can see bush on the cops shoulder telling him to taze the guy. No, that may have been the devil. I can't tell. Did I upset you? Do you want me to start calling names now?

[shaun]

NOT gonna happen Shaun.

6 years in the Military huh?

Cops don't talk that way to people, AND, People don't...or shouldn't talk that way to Cops. If you're pulled over by a cop...there's a god**** REASON. This Vid is a Case in point.

NO...I
nsults and disrespect for Cops...signal "other possible problems". And...after THAT episode, you want that cop to turn that ******* back out on the Road?

There ain't no "BIG ASS GRIN" Shaun. NO Stop like that is a "Big ass Grin" to an officer.

Especially a cop alone with 2 people in the stoped vehicle.
That smartmouth ******* got just what his mouth got him into. AND I hope they FINED his ass when he got out of Jail!!

6 years in the Military huh? And THIS is what you learned about "Respect for Authority"? Interesting. :(

Swamp, don't take it so literally. You're right, cops don't talk like that and I didn't mean for you to take what I said as so. I'll put it differently. Cop: Here's your ticket. You refused to sign it and you can deal with it in court. Have a nice day sir. Is that better? Basically that's what I was thinking. As far as the respect thing, again, and I take that comment personal as to my respect for authority. I'll say it one more time. I have the upmost respect for authority. Yes, 6 years in the military and never once had a problem with authority. I advanced far while I served and am **** proud of my record and respect. I assume from your comment you're prior military as well?

Here's one where I think the cop should have drug the guy out of the car and locked him up, but he didn't. He did however have a nice big grin on his face after the ****head driver left. Handled it like a true professional. I don't think I would put up with that crap as an officer and he would have been tasered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osO7FgcQk_k

[Patriot]

The UHP sided on the troopers side! DUH! But there is an investigation by the State Attorney General over it. Maybe he will see what the majority, of the 750,000 Youtube veiwers seen. Excessive force! Myself included,. THE trooper needs a clerks job , and maybe an ass kicking. Over 90% of the youtube viewers felt the Hp was out of line. The govenor recieved 1000 letters and as many emails denouncing the UHP and the jock trooper.

[LINEHAND]

Wow since when can you not have a discussion with an officer about whether or not you did in fact do something to deserve a ticket. Unbelievable!!!! Makes me think what would that cop would have done before they had tasers. I dont think he would have pulled out his billy club that quick and cracked his head open and then arrested him for that kid did, simply disputing the infraction, not even close!!! Hopefully there is some kind of action taken against this officer. I dont know what video you watched swamp but what I saw was the kid got out trying to explain his position and within seconds had a taser pointed at him, that would make me ask WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU too!!!!! Ok SR think of it this way what a waste of taxpayers money to take speeders to jail, just pathetic!!!!

[Patriot]

EVEN [/B]get posted on the Net???

Massey, the young driver, obtained the car video via the Freedom of Information act. He gave it to some one who put it on youtube. I had the audio of the entire clip, I can hear the entire conversation. THe clip was only 10 mintues of about 20. In the last of the video you can hear the trooper tell another responding trooper, "he (massey) took a ride on the taser" The arresting HP, 14 year veteran, then lied to the other trooper, by saying, I told him to turn around or I will tase you, turn around or I will tase you, when you listen there was no warning what so ever. Simply a warning to put your hands behind your back and ZAP! Three seconds is all that transpired between the order to turn around and being tased. Try it, 3 seconds, Barely time to turn your head. You can watch the clock to count the seconds. Plain and simple, one HP **** lied to another HP ****!

It was not a car load of gang bangers, no weapons, no drugs, not 2 am and drunk, no low rider. A young family man, his pregnant wife, and an infant. And big bad super trooper shows his stuff!

[Dave@PSE&G]

no i have not had a family member killed in the line of duty,sorry if you did but what were the circumstances?my father in law is retired sheriff. heard plenty of stories about ....in with people for kicks.been harassed by cops myself,best one was when i read about the cop that killed himself over his ex.thought they had to pass a phsy test.no, i have no reaspect for cops,they are bullies period.if you dont thank so just start watching cops the tv show.

My uncle was killed in the line of duty responding to a burglury call. Turns out the guy had a gun, so you can figure out the rest. I do watch that show sometimes. What I see are cops who deal with crackheads and drunks, domestic disputes with weapons, etc. What I don't see is anyone getting anything that they didn't have coming to them. If a drunk started **** with you at work, how would you react? I've been pulled over several times in the 25 years that I've been driving. I have NEVER been tasered, stunned,cuffed, punched, or poked at. Occasionally I caught a bit of attitude, but nothing that can't be contributed to a guy having a bad day. If you keep getting hassled by the police, what I'd suggest you do is look into a mirror. Is an ******* staring back at you? Be involved in a 100 mile high speed pursuit, then jump out of the car and start swinging. What do you think they're going to do to you? Don't f*** with the police, and they won't f*** with you. Period.
p.s.- You should have a little respect for cops. You might need one someday.

[loner]

when watching cops i was talking about when the cop says the vehicles license plate light is out.im going to pull them over and lets see what we can get.
into.stuff like that ,look for any excuse to pull a guy over and start the bull .are there any drugs in the car,where you coming from,where you going,any weapons in the car.you look a little confused,step out of the car.im going to cuff you for my own safety,things like that.have respect for the cops because i may need one someday?called the cops one night because the neighbors dog would not shut up,the people were on vacation.when the cop realized the neighbor was a cop they told me they couldnt do anything about it.youre relative killed,was he trying to be a hero?or just a cop with a hardon.

[Bull Dog]

All you fine linemen on here read the last post real good. This is what the guy that puts his life on the line has to deal with. Many people have a chip on there shoulders cause they don't want to submit to the authority represented by the police officer. The officer out on the beat knows this attitude is out there and a jerk may try to escalate a confrontation. Put yourself in his shoes confronting a bad attitude that could get violent any second. They got families just like we do and want to come home safe. Resisting a officer when he tells you something will be met with some kind of force. Now a days a tazer may be used instead of a billy club or worse. He has the right to meet resistance with the minamum force he deems necessary for his protection and the protection of the public. I still think the officer did the right thing and will be found justified. I would remind you of the collage student that was disrupting Kerry's speach DON'T TAZER ME BRO remember? He got the same treatment and the officers were found justified. He said the same thing I didn't do anything don't tazer me bro! He got tazered for resisting. The police were more patient with him and tried to get him to quit resisting but there were three of them there so i'm shure the wern't worried as much for there safety. The dude got the video on utube hoping for a big law suit and lots of money from the jurisdiction. I think he won't get a cent cause thats what he deserves. The next time a officer tells him to turn around it will be less than three seconds!

[Dave@PSE&G]

youre relative killed,was he trying to be a hero?or just a cop with a hardon.

Well, I have never heard any stories about him being a prick. He coached baseball and volunteered around Christmas playing Santa and handing out toys to kids and stuff like that. I was 11 when he died, and all I know was that I was crazy about him, as were my cousins. He was probably everyones favorite uncle. Was he being a hero? I don't know. He was shot on a burglary call. The guy was hiding in the house and he and his partner were trying to fish him out. For all I know, the person who called was a smart-ass like you, quivering in the corner with boxers full of **** and piss. Let me know how your tazering goes. I'll keep my eyes glued to you tube for the action.

[loner]

just my point,3 cops to take out one student?wow!good friend of mine was going thru utah on a hunting trip with his buddies.cop pulled him over for speeding,he asked the cop "youre pullin me over for speeding,what about the 4 cars i was following" are you pulling me over because i have out of state plates?the cop told him to shut up or he would go down town and tell it to the judge on monday.got a ticket for speeding.my wife was backing out of a parking spot,she backed out relized her seat belt wasnt on,she put it on started to move forward.a cop coming the other way made a u turn on main street ,stopped her and gave her a ticket for no seatbelt.wow,what a crime fighter.how about the deaf man steve,the cops were to jacked up to even care what he was trying to convay to them.respect authority?maybe when they stop abusing theirs.

[Dave@PSE&G]

just my point,3 cops to take out one student?wow!good friend of mine was going thru utah on a hunting trip with his buddies.cop pulled him over for speeding,he asked the cop "youre pullin me over for speeding,what about the 4 cars i was following" are you pulling me over because i have out of state plates?the cop told him to shut up or he would go down town and tell it to the judge on monday.got a ticket for speeding.my wife was backing out of a parking spot,she backed out relized her seat belt wasnt on,she put it on started to move forward.a cop coming the other way made a u turn on main street ,stopped her and gave her a ticket for no seatbelt.wow,what a crime fighter.how about the deaf man steve,the cops were to jacked up to even care what he was trying to convay to them.respect authority?maybe when they stop abusing theirs.

Oh, well thanks for clearing it all up for everyone. Do you mean to tell me that these cops said to each other "Look, a deaf guy. Let's go f*** him up"? Please, that's ridiculous. In every walk of life and every profession, there will be the handful of people who are over the top. I'm not condoning what bad cops do, but even bad cops need a situation to react to. If you don't mouth off, you get a ticket and move on. If you do mouth off, you get a beating, a ticket, and then you move on. ****, why am I even trying to talk sense to a p.o.s. who celebrates the death of those people who every day have to ask themselves "am I going to make it home tonight?" You must laugh your ass off when war casulty reports come in. You are a real class act. Loner. I would guess that your name is appropriate.

[loner]

no i dont laugh my ass off when war casualties come in.americans do not need to die in a war that is a joke to begin with.with the technology this country has it could dispose of these 3rd world **** holes with a push of a button.ever since ww2 was ended american service personnel have been sent to meaningless hole in the wall places to die because some politician gets pissed off.korea,vietnam,middle east etc.yea,i guess i am a piece of ****.what did the cops think,the deaf guy had a gun in his ear? go suck your cop friends night stick after he pulls it out of your ass.

[loner]

on the 6 oclock news today,san jose ca. 911 was called when a wendys fast food worker noticed 2 kids had something resembling automatic weapons.13 cop cars responded(yes,13) the kids were handcuffed and questioned.turns out the guns were toys.kids handcuffed,more than 13 cops afraid for there safety.lucky for the kids swat wasnt called in,sharpshooter might have taken the kill shot.

[Bull Dog]

Hey swamp you shure know how to push Mr. Batts button. I wish you guys would disagree more nicely i mean Mr. Batts has some good qualitys as im shure you do. I know its not my business but I thought it is funny how you two go at it. There must be more to this than meets the eye.

[Orgnizdlbr]

Hey swamp you shure know how to push Mr. Batts button. I wish you guys would disagree more nicely i mean Mr. Batts has some good qualitys as im shure you do. I know its not my business but I thought it is funny how you two go at it. There must be more to this than meets the eye.


ROFLMAO.................http://ww3.powerlineman.com/lforum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[loner]

wow,you of all people call this country magnificent?arent you the one always belly aching about how this country has been ruined by ilegals? and no i dont understand americas place in the world order,why dont you explain it to me.tell me just what was accomplished by all the men killed in korea and vietnam?what is being changed in the world now with the war in iraq? the right to vote,why wouldnt i have the right,a redneck backwoods idiot does.magnificent country allright.

[Bull Dog]

Man thats some interesting facts there Mr. Batts I didn't know any of that. Were can i view this film? I know its in archives is it available on line?

[Dave@PSE&G]

Hey swamp you shure know how to push Mr. Batts button. I wish you guys would disagree more nicely i mean Mr. Batts has some good qualitys as im shure you do. I know its not my business but I thought it is funny how you two go at it. There must be more to this than meets the eye.

B-Dog,
These fine fellows go in cycles. When I first joined, it was vicious. I really felt like they hated each other. Then, for a while, they cooled off towards each other. I think that was due to Lost Art playing referee a bit. Now, it's getting hot again. In one corner you have Battman, who is passionate about his beliefs. VERY passionate. Then there's Swamp, while a bit more laid back than Batts, will mix it up on occasion. Either way, they are both decent guys who agree to disagree. I don't consider myself a hostile person, but even I get going with people on occasion. It all makes for fascinating reading, so sit back and enjoy.

[loner]

well,i guess there is no credible explanation for korea,vietnam,iraq,etc.maybe the wizard of waste land has used up what was left of his itty bitty brain. by the way ,still no draft(batts?)

[Dave@PSE&G]

NO LONER YOU ********** HIDE BEHIDE YOUR RIGHT NOT TO SERVE AND LET SOME ELSE DO YOUR CHICK**** FIGHTING AND DYING

Steve, don't pop a blood vessel over this *******. He isn't interested in banter, he is just rattling cages.

[loner]

batts,i see you still enjoy sucking ****s

[Bull Dog]

No way can this guy loner be a lineman hes too stupid. I think he should go to the ladies room if you ask me. Tks for the info on that book. oh Ladies i meant no offense this guy should go to the ladies rest room thats what i meant. Mabey some of you could knock some sense into him there. Lost Art can kick his Butt.

[loner]

spend the rest of my life squatting to pee? does that mean you suck so hard you would rip it off me with your mouth? wow,what an honor to be threatened by such a pro.the only way i could go into the ladies room is if you lend me your dress drag queen aka bulldog.lost art can kick my butt? do you have a secret affection for this guy or do you model your victorias secret ladies langerie(thats underwear,puppy dog)for him?

[warpig]

You really know how to stir it brother. The facts are the facts. We have and will lose our rights. It's common throughout history. Not just ours either. When enough people are killed by Tazers (read a child ,old lady, or maybe an illegal immigrant child) then the grinding legislation will begin to outlaw them. They were supposed to be a non-lethal form of defense but the world is full of idiots. Just look at the one running this country. Since, arguably, JFK or perhaps Eisenhower we have seen a gradual degradation of the caliber of individual that can hold the position of the head of this great nation. It simply proves what a gullible and apathetic bunch we have become. If you doubt this have a conversation with a twenty year old. If you really believe that the dupe in the oval office makes any decisions on his own then you too are a big part of the problem. This hasn't mattered since even the most grizzled of us were in pampers. The reality is that big money runs most everything. The conservative religious right used to be predominately Democrats until the Republicans figured out that they vote and they are one of the few segments of our society that can be easily rallied behind a cause. Throw in a "born again" frat boy with a rich professional politician daddy cum oil baron and the story starts to make sense. With just a little research one can find that a great deal of the planet is owned by the inhabitants of the middle east. The Arabs used to be some of the smartest people on earth. Like everyone else they are greedy and they had to be stopped. Ever heard of the Ottoman Empire? We're in the middle east right now not because they pose an imminent threat but because it serves our purpose to keep that region on an uneven keel. If they ever organize against the western world we are truly ****ed! There are more of them than the Catholics, the Mormons, the Hindus ,and the Baptists combined. Our real hope lies in our resilience and our fading ability to rally together as the brothers we are. Liberal or conservative we are all Americans and need to start behaving as one nation. We must take back the control of our government from the greed mongers that have stolen it away while we were sleeping or watching TV or whatever. As for Swamprat's question as to what rights Dubya has taken. Well in my opinion blaming him would be like kicking your dog for eating ****. He just doesn't know any better. How long have you got brother?

[warpig]

Actually Swamprat I'm a registered Republican and I am leaning toward McCain. If you are offended by innocuous comments then you are offended. Been a Republican all my voting life. This, however, doesn't mean that I'm brain dead. I know a moron when I see one. This may come from paying attention to the details and trying to keep an open mind. If that's too liberal for you ... Oh well. In my humble opinion blind obedience to any discipline is a dangerous thing in itself. There is not a great deal of difference in most politicians just who is paying their way. You know in reflecting on your rant you might consider some yoga and herbal therapy. Who knows, you might be driving a bumper stickered Volvo before long eh.

[warpig]

I completely understand your position. It's one I share except for the part where you abstain from voting. My position is, if you don't vote you can't *****. Now obviously that's not true but it's a personal conviction of mine. As far as the candidates are concerned I couldn't agree with you more. No clear winners here but what to do? One can always hope. I was a Bush fan at first but I think he fizzled quickly and that the true leadership structure is becoming all too transparent. The entire process needs re-vamping but it's still the best overall in the world. Our success in just over 200 years proves that. As for me I will vote with my heart. Ron Paul has some interesting ideas and talks the talk but he really isn't a realistic choice. Romney and Giuliani; too slick; Fred Thompson...need I say more. We've already had a "B" grade actor. (although he wasn't too bad.) No it's not the military record although I certainly respect it. As for my profile. I don't usually post these things because I don't feel it's important. But for your amusement; Journeyman lineman, born 1952 son of a career military man, lived overseas a lot including Libya. Started in the trade in '78 and have worked for various employers since. Currently with an IOU in the Northwest. Have worked Union and rat. would never go rat again but times get hard. Hope to retire soon and move to the south. Been cold long enough.

[PA BEN]

Talked to a diehard Democrat the other day. And he said he's lived in Arizona and has talked to McCain and has seen what he's done for Arizona. The media has not done him any good. This diehard democrat said for the first time he voting for a republican John McCain. Said the democrats have nothing to offer.:rolleyes:

[warpig]

I'm a graduate of Upper Heyford High School, Upper Heyford RAF U.K Class of 71. Some of the best years of my life. Went back and visited the base and some old friends last year. We may not have realized then but we were some fortunate kids to be able to travel that much. My old man was a Chief master with 35 years.