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BigClive
05-29-2007, 09:17 AM
I've just got back from a trip to Australia and thought you guys might find my experiences useful.

Firstly I stayed in Perth for eight nights. While there I met up with Squizzy, Zapman and Boyakasha for drinkies. Good bunch of guys. I enjoyed it. Special thanks to Squizzy who took me on a quick local tour before we headed back to his place and showed his kid how to turn a seemingly innocuous racing car toy into a high velocity projectile launcher. :D I was surprised to find that Boyakasha was well qualified in electronics. Hopefully we didn't bore Squizzy too much when the conversation momentarily turned to microcontroller programming languages and power driver circuitry.

Perth was good. Blazing sunshine with a sprinkling of rain and well spaced out and good for exploring on foot (but also with an excellent transport system and wide roads). For some reason Perth also seems popular with technical people. Quite a few of my online tech-head buddies are based there.

Then I moved over to Melbourne for eight nights and wasn't so impressed. The rain wind and hail didn't help much, but other than that it was a fairly typical bland grey city full of cliched cafes and restaurants. If you like drinking coffee all day or eating out, then it's probably fun, but I prefer other things. I did get to meet a side of the family I never thought I'd see and that was quite enjoyable.

Overall thoughts:-

Staying in Australia is not cheap. Despite the exchange rate being $2.3 to the pound the prices were simply 2.3 times higher so pound for pound there was little price difference. Alcohol in general seemed a lot more expensive whether bought in shops or in pubs.

The Australian culture is a strange mix of American and British. The supermarkets had a mixture of products from these two countries with a bias to bigger pack sizes like in the USA. There were a few brands where the logo was the same but the name had been changed, presumably for copyright reasons.

I get the feeling that like everywhere else in the world the property market is being manipulated to the serious detriment of the younger generation. In both Perth and Melbourne I discovered that some of my online buddies were still with their parents or living with friends in small groups since they couldn't afford their own house. It used to be that young Australians would traditionally go on a wanderlust round the globe before returning and settling down, but now I think they may be leaving Oz simply because they can't afford to live there. Western Australia seems to be particularly affected by this due to the boom in mineral mining and the short term wealth created as a result.

The Australian electrical system was a weird combination of the USA and UK systems. It had the simplicity of the UK 240/415 system but the outlets and switches were more in the style of the USA stuff with thin flat prongs on plugs that had a tendency to fall out of sockets easily. In both locations I noticed that the plugs often had to be jiggled to make a good connection in the sockets. Maybe this was just old hotel wiring. On the other hand maybe it's the reason my uncles previous house had burned down due to an electrical fire. The distribution system was very American looking. It had obviously been rattled up quickly to accommodate the sudden sprawling growth of the cities and I get the feeling that the guys spend a lot of their time fixing the work of their predecessors as a result.

Drought seems to be a bit of an issue in both parts I visited. I'm not sure if it's a climate change thing or if it's just due to the increase of the population, but there were warning posters suggesting ways to save water in both places I visited. I got the impression that in Melbourne they have been progressively draining their underground "water table" to the point they have suddenly realised that things are getting a bit grim. In my accommodation the point of the warning posters seemed futile since the toilet cisterns were rather huge and dumped gallons of water on each flush (no part flush), while the shower head was so enormous that it simply wouldn't work with anything less than a deluge! Perhaps they've just been a bit casual about water availability in the past and it's catching up with them. While visiting my Uncle and his family out in the countryside his young wife took us on a quick local drive and showed us dry reservoirs and gushing rivers within 30 minutes of each other by road!!! Their own water supply is supplied by catching roof rainwater and storing it in tanks.

There also seems to be a major drug issue in Australia. Both places I visited had syringe disposal containers in all the public toilets. There seemed to be a fair number of homeless and druggies on the streets and I even got a random torrent of abuse from a group of them while visiting St Kilda beach near Melbourne. Pretty much what you'd expect in a big city environment. It made me feel like I was back home in Glasgow. :)

So would I live in Australia? probably not. Would I work in Australia? Yes. There's an element of uncertainty about the drought situation and the cost of housing is so high in many parts that I'd probably have to get another mortgage when I got there. On the other hand, seasonal work in the mines looks quite appealing.

If you work in the UK and have been thinking about moving to Oz then keep in mind that you'd have to multiply your UK wage by about 2.5 to earn an equivalent level in Aus $. Talk of $35 an hour wages might sound good, but that's pretty close to the current UK rate for an approved spark. Ignore the agencies pushing and hyping the idea of emigration, they are businesses set up to make profit. If you like the idea of moving abroad then take a holiday there first and check it out for yourself.

Good trip though. Well recommended.

Mike-E
05-29-2007, 09:42 PM
nice summary clive. but did you eat any "Vegimite"?

boyakasha
05-30-2007, 01:26 AM
Well its good to see you got home safe and sound biglive..

Thanks for my little package, she is up and running. Great idea (what a range of colours, my 2 year old daughter loves it, may have an idea will send you a private message when i have sorted some stuff out wink wink nudge nudge ;) ;) ;) .

BigClive
05-30-2007, 06:44 AM
nice summary clive. but did you eat any "Vegimite"?

I managed to resist the temptation of Vegemite despite it forming part of the "continental" breakfast in Melbourne (bread and jam!). It's obviously popular judging by the reaction of one of the plumper residents when they forgot to put it out one morning. :)

I think it's sold here alongside Marmite.

BigClive
05-30-2007, 06:50 AM
Forgot to mention... The Strongbow cider was really nice in Oz. I think they're having an apple crisis here, 'cos the stuff tastes awful in comparison. The only downside in Oz was that it tends to be served in small bottles. Fortunately Squizzy managed to choose a pub that did serve it in pints. :)

I wasn't so lucky in Melbourne where it was not only served in a small bottle, but with a glass of ice and a straw!

Twice in one venue I went and asked for a cider and due to accent differences was served with a glass of soda water and a slice of lemon. cider, soda, cider, soda?

Ahh, not to worry. Our Strongbow may be a bit rough, but it costs about $3.68 a pint in Aus dollars.

Squizzy
05-30-2007, 10:32 AM
I did spot in a bottle shop the other day a whole heap of different ciders it had a whole fridge full of them. Glad you enjoyed Perth, the cost of housing was on the news again tonight it seems to have leveled off at the moment. I got my place for 120K six years ago now its worth 450K its just madness its not like we don't have enough land here. And Clive my son now sets his racing car set up as you showed him and fires cars into anything and everything including unprotected ankles:eek:

BigClive
05-30-2007, 02:19 PM
I'm glad I've encouraged your son to explore misuse of equipment in the pursuit of mindless violence. The next step in his learning is to show him how attaching higher voltage external batteries can launch the toy cars with enough force to break windows. ;)

22900013A
05-30-2007, 04:45 PM
Interesting reading BC. I have not really considered emigrating myself, but I am very worried about house pricing in the UK. Average rent for a half-decent place is now, what, £650 a month or so. One thing I have noticed is there is very little difference in cost all the way from the south coast to west yorkshire (where I live) with the obvious exception of London.

BigClive
05-30-2007, 05:33 PM
If you think it's bad, think what it's like for the youngsters. At this rate they will never have the security of a roof of their own over their heads.

It's all got to crash at some point.

22900013A
05-30-2007, 06:20 PM
If you think it's bad, think what it's like for the youngsters. At this rate they will never have the security of a roof of their own over their heads.

It's all got to crash at some point.

Errr....Im only 26 myself. Not got a hope of getting a mortgage in this lifetime...:( BUt yes I agree its only going to be worse for those slightly younger.

Alan Mac
05-31-2007, 03:18 AM
Let me know when you're over Swamp, I'll see if I can get to the big smoke and buy you a beer.

Mac

22900013A
05-31-2007, 01:38 PM
22900013A is the chassis number of my ex-southern electric landy. ;)

22900013A
05-31-2007, 06:02 PM
:D That's Cool man....:cool:
Ya must have really loved that "Ex lady" to remember here like that.
Good stuff.:)

I still have it mate! Although with it being so old parts are pain to get hold of.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/feindflug_uk/47aegw9.jpg

See also http://www.geocities.com/onetonlandrover/seb.html and www.geocities.com/electricityboardlandrovers

Squizzy
06-01-2007, 04:46 AM
My father used to get Land-rovers for free as a test driver while he was stationed at Eucla on the Nullabor Plain he used to give them a hard time as per the agreement. Always will remember walking for 3 hours when we destroyed the rear axel "rock hopping". My only criticism of them is that they are slightly under-powered...

BigClive
06-01-2007, 05:43 PM
"Not got a hope of getting a mortgage in this lifetime..." No ya don't. Not with that attitude.


The thing is... When you were Landy-boi's age you could have got a roof over your head for a fraction of the cost now in relative terms. Why should Landy-boi aspire to earn enough for an inflated mortgage when a significant amount of what he earns will be going into the pocket of some indolent parasite who thought he'd cash in on the younger generations need to have their own home.

I can see the younger generation heading to less popular countries with their skills leaving a dearth of talent and a crashed housing market in the future.

(Landy-boi is easier to remember than a serial number!)

LostArt
06-01-2007, 08:09 PM
(Landy-boi is easier to remember than a serial number!)

http://www.avowners.com/forum/smileys/cool019.gif

I agree with THAT Clive! Nice ride Landy. No landovers here, but we do have our white vampire. It's a jeep wrangler. :cool:

Clive, I'm glad you met up with some mates here and had a rollin' good time buddy. That's pretty darn neat actually! I've only met up with one of the crew here and it's nice to have a sitdown,face to face, with someone from the net. And find out that they are pretty much the same.

Squizzy
06-02-2007, 04:41 AM
A good night indeed:D Had a ball a good laugh and alot of beer!

LostArt
06-02-2007, 08:07 AM
Squizzy and Big Clive met up in... Australia I do believe darlin, and by what I heard, "a GOOD time was had by all!!"

Yes and some of the mates.........board HERE (PLM.com) Swamp. :p

But, it is nice meeting folks from the net and then in person. Kinda neat actually.

A ball and a rare'n good time Squizz? How was Clive's redhead when he left from down there????? http://www.avowners.com/forum/smileys/drinking.gif

Squizzy
06-02-2007, 11:03 AM
Clive was OK I spent the afternoon with my father chatting over "a" beer got to the pub early had a couple of pints before Clive and Zapman got there then had a few more. Have to do it again sometime.....

http://www.thebrassmonkey.com.au/

LostArt
06-02-2007, 11:14 AM
The Brass Monkey? HA! Love it! Specializes in fine wines, ummmm......

BigClive
06-02-2007, 01:51 PM
Well the apple "wine" was very nice indeed. Miles better than the same brand in the UK! (Must be those Tasmanian apples or somethin')

LostArt
06-02-2007, 04:06 PM
Well the apple "wine" was very nice indeed. Miles better than the same brand in the UK! (Must be those Tasmanian apples or somethin')

Apples? Apple wine. I love apples. Squizz, send me some since Clive was too drunk to purchase some for me!!!http://www.avowners.com/forum/smileys/fight011.gif

:D

Squizzy
06-02-2007, 09:51 PM
I will have to check where the apples Strongbow uses come from. I know the Fruit growers over here are having a lot of trouble competing with cheaper imported apples so the cider may even be made with cheaply purchased table apples. The growers may need to get some Mexicans over to reduce wages when picking as most transient workers here have headed north to work on the many mine$...

BigClive
06-02-2007, 10:30 PM
Well I definitely took a sinusoidal path to the local "souvlaki" shop for the traditional alcohol absorbing (but nutritionally unwise) edibles.

That was just after the bar staff politely ushered us into the courtyard. :D

Squizzy
06-03-2007, 07:45 AM
Well it couldn't have been that bad you went back a second time:D And from memory I think they asked us to leave 3 or more times lol...

BigClive
06-03-2007, 09:18 AM
Then they unleashed the weird guy who smelled strongly of BO and seemed to be the staff pet. I think that was the ultimate hint. :eek:

LostArt
06-03-2007, 10:10 AM
That was just after the bar staff politely ushered us into the courtyard. :D


Well it couldn't have been that bad you went back a second time:D And from memory I think they asked us to leave 3 or more times lol...

Hehehehe.........sounds like those apples are pretty potent to me guys! :D