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[CenterPointEX]

There are over 100 verses in the Koran for instruction about Jihad... Folks can explain these into something they are not, but they pretty much in context speak for themselves... Here are a few examples... but first a quote from our muslim friend...
.You are confusing your self about who is a believer , in your view the Koran defines a believer as only a Muslim ....This is not true ...the believers in Koran are men of all the three religions (the people of the book (i.e. Christians, Jews, and Muslims)...it is true man …

These are suras from the Koran...

5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoeveR amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection;...

[9.29 ] Fight those who do not believe in Allah…nor follow the religion of truth,... those who have been given the Book(The Bible), until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Sura [9.5] Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.

[5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD [Allah] and His messenger [Muhammed], and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (the Dome of the Rock built upon the site of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you (there), then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. (Jews and Christians)

008:012: …make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

008:059-060: [8.59] …let not those who disbelieve think that they shall come in first; surely they will not escape. [8.60] …prepare against them what force you can ...to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah’s way [for Jihad] … 008:065: O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand [Infidels].

003:169: …reckon not those (suicide bomers, etc.) who are killed in Allah's [In Jihad] way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord [meaning they are enjoying their 72 virgins in heaven and have earned the right to bring 70 of their family members with them];

They also get to take seventy of their family members with them... That is why Mothers of these children dress them up and send them to suicide bomber school...

004:094-095: [4.94]…when you go to war in Allah's way… [4.95] …those who strive hard [Jihad] in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal…Allah shall grant to the strivers [i.e., Jihadist] above the holders back (i.e. those who shy away from Jihad/suicide bomber school) a mighty reward:...
004:100: …whoever flies in Allah's way [forsakes his home to fight in Jihad], he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him [in Jihad], his reward is indeed with Allah…

Can this reward be delievered? Satan seems to think so... Matthew 4:9 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Matthew+4:9&version=31) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Matthew+4&version=31)Click blue link to see Satans thoughts...



Koran :32.[5:32] if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people:
Chaaaw.

This Sura was used in a full page ad in the New York Times to say how peacful a religion Islam is... Only thing they left out the middle part... "Unless it be for spreading mischief in the land" That was purposeful... The Ad read:

Koran :32.[5:32] if any one slew a person it would be as if he slew the whole people:

The actual intent was a message to Isreal... behave or else! In context the Koran was talking about how Cain paid a price for killing Able... and if Isreal did not behave they would also pay a price... This Sura has nothing to do with the peacefulness of Islam...

[Swamprat]

Well....THAT's just like....outta Nowhere!!

What, ya layin off my ass? America is familar with the workings of Islam CP, especially of late....moot point.

[Squizzy]

Of all the e-mails and things i have seen over the years in life , in the army, on TV and online the worst thing i have seen that made me angry and disgusted me the most was a clip sent to me by Zapman. It wasn't meant to be funny it was an eye opener on what some of these "peaceful" muslims are really like. It showed the a procession of Arabs that get out a cut throat razor and smack themselves on the head a few times. Then to make sure it bleeds enough the sicko's start chanting and smacking themselves on the head, what really disgusted me was that they cut the children, toddlers in a couple cases and the look of disgust and hatred from the mother of one child says it all. What i have seen of them over the years hasn't inspired any trust in me, I am a tolerant person but and the difference is not a cultural one its one of decencey and tolerance and some respect for your fellow man. Not going around and putting your kids forward for a suicide bombing to become a martyr and bang 70 odd virgins in heaven. Which is a laugh when you think about it, a religion that makes women cover up and hide from the veiw of all other males. A religion that punishes unfaithful men and women (usually the woman) to some horrific and barbaric punishment. Political correctness has gone mad as to why we should even entertain the thought as to let them into our countries. What do they do when they get here? They keep to their own communities and preach hatred of the West, the West that now houses them and pays them unemployment benifits,health care etc then they all work for cash pay no tax and demand that they be given a Muslim state and when they get told no they declare war or start a political party to start a Muslim state. I have little doubt that the 3rd World War will be fought between Muslim and Christrian forces.
Islam a religion of peace? I think not , lets face it if the Arabs did not have oil no one would even bother with them. Indonesia doesn't have any oil they are just a bunch of nutcases and it is unfortunate that Australia has the worlds most populace muslim nation on its doorstep and the efforts our government goes to, to keep them happy is disgraceful. The cheeky bastards recently demanded that we let fleets of Indonesian fishing boats into our waters to fish. They said that because they are a bigger nation (in population) we should let them in and turn a blind eye they have already decimated vast areas of the northern half of Australia's territorial waters from illegal fishing should just sink them all what are they going to do threaten war again. They can't even keep their own population under control and couldn't organise a plane or helicopter to fly over areas devistated by the tsunami for 3 days don't take rubbish from them let them know where they stand so that no one has any illusion about where they stand in international relationships.....

[Apples]

" A man who has had sexual relations with an animal, such as a sheep, may not eat its meat. He would commit sin" - from the late (too bad) ayatollah
khomeinis blue book. They're as cuckoo as can be...

[Apples]

Another beauty from the blue book : " If a man marries a minor who has reached the age of 9 and if during the defloration he breaks the hymen he may not enjoy her any longer" Nutty as squirrel turds

[Squizzy]

I saw a website years ago that all sorts of funny laws and customs. One of them stated that in Iran it was illegal to have sex with a male animal..........lol

[CenterPointEX]

I reckon they wanted to be righteous like the Levitical version, but they missed a little... Leviticus 17 it says no sex with animals period.

The cease fire is has been undone between Palestine and Isreal.

[Swamprat]

The cease fire is has been undone between Palestine and Isreal.

So? Who gives a shit. It's only been "undone"....20 times before.

Stick around. There will be a New "cease fire" again. And...it will be "undone" again.

"And the beat goes on..."

[BigClive]

Another beauty from the blue book : " If a man marries a minor who has reached the age of 9 and if during the defloration he breaks the hymen he may not enjoy her any longer" Nutty as squirrel turds

So basically you can shag a young virgin then dump her?

Hmmm.

[BigClive]

I saw a website years ago that all sorts of funny laws and customs. One of them stated that in Iran it was illegal to have sex with a male animal..........lol

I'm not sure if that comes under homophobia or bestiality. What about homophobestiality. :)

[BigClive]

but they missed a little... Leviticus 17 it says no sex with animals period.


I can see the point in that. You shouldn't really have sex with anything during it's period. It just makes such a mess. :mad:

[CenterPointEX]

There are over 100 verses in the Koran for instruction about Jihad... Folks can explain these into something they are not, but they pretty much in context speak for themselves... Here are a few examples... but first a quote from our muslim friend...
.You are confusing your self about who is a believer , in your view the Koran defines a believer as only a Muslim ....This is not true ...the believers in Koran are men of all the three religions (the people of the book (i.e. Christians, Jews, and Muslims)...it is true man …

These are suras from the Koran...

5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoeveR amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection;...

[9.29 ] Fight those who do not believe in Allah…nor follow the religion of truth,... those who have been given the Book(The Bible), until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Sura [9.5] Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.

[5:33] The just retribution for those who fight GOD [Allah] and His messenger [Muhammed], and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (the Dome of the Rock built upon the site of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you (there), then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. (Jews and Christians)

008:012: …make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

008:059-060: [8.59] …let not those who disbelieve think that they shall come in first; surely they will not escape. [8.60] …prepare against them what force you can ...to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah’s way [for Jihad] … 008:065: O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand [Infidels].

003:169: …reckon not those (suicide bomers, etc.) who are killed in Allah's [In Jihad] way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord [meaning they are enjoying their 72 virgins in heaven and have earned the right to bring 70 of their family members with them];

They also get to take seventy of their family members with them... That is why Mothers of these children dress them up and send them to suicide bomber school...

004:094-095: [4.94]…when you go to war in Allah's way… [4.95] …those who strive hard [Jihad] in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal…Allah shall grant to the strivers [i.e., Jihadist] above the holders back (i.e. those who shy away from Jihad/suicide bomber school) a mighty reward:...
004:100: …whoever flies in Allah's way [forsakes his home to fight in Jihad], he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him [in Jihad], his reward is indeed with Allah…

Can this reward be delievered? Satan seems to think so... Matthew 4:9 (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Matthew+4:9&version=31) (Whole Chapter) (http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Matthew+4&version=31)Click blue link to see Satans thoughts...



Koran :32.[5:32] if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people:
Chaaaw.

This Sura was used in a full page ad in the New York Times to say how peacful a religion Islam is... Only thing they left out the middle part... "Unless it be for spreading mischief in the land" That was purposeful... The Ad read:

Koran :32.[5:32] if any one slew a person it would be as if he slew the whole people:

The actual intent was a message to Isreal... behave or else! In context the Koran was talking about how Cain paid a price for killing Able... and if Isreal did not behave they would also pay a price... This Sura has nothing to do with the peacefulness of Islam................

[Swamprat]

Come on CP....

Give it a damn REST man.
All your red highlits and shit, all your quotes. I use to enjoy conversin with ya, but dude...you're just too extreme for me. I ain't got the time or the energy....AND your posts are too ****in long....

Your preachin has LOST more people than you're tryin to convert. I can't do this shit no more, at least with you.

[BigClive]

I hate to say it, but when I was an apprentice I was sent to work on a steelwork crane with a bible thumping electrician who kept working God into every conversation.

Instead of meeting him on the job again the next day I just went into the office and got myself another job to go to instead. :)

[zapman3021]

squizz well said man i agree whole heartedly i was bought up to tolerate all kinds of diversity but in all honesty as i grow older and experiance more in life i have realised that certain diversities are really quite discusting and not worthy of concideration let alone tollerence i would like to think that god made diversity to make life interseting not hatefull and discusting but all i see when i look at the so called religon of peace is utter revulsion how is it that a people could treat their woman like they have the plague send the boys off (boys that dont even know what it is to be a man ) as suicide bommers and delude them into believing that they will sit at the right hand of god......what kind of a person tells there child that ...."son go blow yourself up and kill a heap of infidells and you will be rewarded in death " perverted sick people life is precious and not to be squandered and these people send their youngest off to die with little conscience.....nothing but spinless cowards ....and all i can say is .....HELL IS WAITING THEY ALREADY HAVE YOUR ROOM NUMBERS

[CenterPointEX]

That aint preaching Swamp... That is quotes from the Koran... This is a thread started in response to that Muslim fella who hung here a while... He was trying to defend the Koran as being misunderstood... He said it was a book of peace and that it condoned no violence and or Al Quadia... So I simply dug up a bunch of verses from the Koran and that long post is them... They speak for themselves....

[Swamprat]

That aint preaching Swamp... That is quotes from the Koran... This is a thread started in response to that Muslim fella who hung here a while... He was trying to defend the Koran as being misunderstood... He said it was a book of peace and that in condoned no violence and in Al Quadia... So I simply dug up a bunch of verses from the Koran and that long post is them... They speak for themselves....

Whatever....

Religion. The Death of us all. One way or another.

Believe what ya believe....before ya die. Hopefully...you're right.

See...I can type in Red too.:D

[Orgnizdlbr]

That aint preaching Swamp... That is quotes from the Koran... This is a thread started in response to that Muslim fella who hung here a while... He was trying to defend the Koran as being misunderstood... He said it was a book of peace and that in condoned no violence and in Al Quadia... So I simply dug up a bunch of verses from the Koran and that long post is them... They speak for themselves....

I have posted verse from the Koran that was contrary to what you have posted in previous threads CP. Back to the old question, who's version is the correct interpretation?

[CenterPointEX]

The verses above OGB are direct quotes from the Koran, I provided links so you can go and read them in context. I contend that they stand alone... the context confirms that. You will not find anyone who disagrees with the position that the english words used in them are a direct translation from one language to another. Origionaly Posted by OGB: I have posted verse from the Koran that was contrary to what you have posted in previous threads CP. Back to the old question, who's version is the correct interpretation? I understand you have posted contrary Koranic Verses... The Koran is chock full of verses; in context, that not only disagree, but are diametricly opposed to each other... I agree with you OGB that neither you nor I read the language in which the Koran was written... But we do have copies of the Koran in the original... The Koran by the way has been under revision since its inception... Even Muhammed deleted large chunks of it claiming that part of it was written while he was under Satanic Influence. That was the thrust of the book "Satanic Verses" a few years back... Islam went nuts at the writing of that book because it exposed the truth of the matter.
.................In this we see a great difference between Christians and Muslims... When error is exposed in Islam, their response is to kill anyone who exposes this error and any person or nation that publishes this truth... Christians ;as in the case of the Da Vinci Code, simply go to the source of Truth, and make it known to all who will listen. Islam does not have that option because when they go to their source, they discover that the error is heir apparent... at that point they; as do cornered criminals, either submit to the authorative truth, or react in violence and rebellion...

What are a few of the most popular translations of the Koran OGB?

[Orgnizdlbr]

I understand you have posted contrary Koranic Verses... The Koran is chock full of verses; in context, that not only disagree, but are diametricly opposed to each other... I agree with you OGB that neither you nor I read the language in which the Koran was written...



I have a distinct advantage when it comes to the Arabic language CP. You see, in college my son minored in Arabic studies, he reads writes and speaks Arabic, he understands different dialects of the language. There are different translations of the Koran, just as there are of the Bible, all according to who translates it for you....as for my son, looking to hook up with a government agency, wont hire him till he's 23....

[Swamprat]

I have a distinct advantage when it comes to the Arabic language CP. You see, in college my son minored in Arabic studies, he reads writes and speaks Arabic, he understands different dialects of the language. There are different translations of the Koran, just as there are of the Bible, all according to who translates it for you....as for my son, looking to hook up with a government agency, wont hire him till he's 23....


That's really interesting Labor. I certainly know you're proud of your Son.
Incredible.
Your son will have a job waiting for him when he turns 23....
Our govt. should change the rules....

America needs people like your son....Today.

[Orgnizdlbr]

That's really interesting Labor. I certainly know you're proud of your Son.
Incredible.
Your son will have a job waiting for him when he turns 23....
Our govt. should change the rules....

America needs people like your son....Today.

I am proud as hell of him Swamp, and I'm proud as hell about what he wants to do with the language.....dont nake sense to me that they wont hire till 23.....

[CenterPointEX]

OGB, would it be possible to get your son to examine the verses that are the set forth in this thread, and let me know if or not they are what they appear to be from the English Version set forth...?

Also, you appear to have made the claim that our Bible translations are varied and thus have more than one meaning for some particular passages. I challenge you to give us one example of that.

[Orgnizdlbr]

OGB, would it be possible to get your son to examine the verses that are the set forth in this thread, and let me know if or not they are what they appear to be from the English Version set forth...?

Also, you appear to have made the claim that our Bible translations are varied and thus have more than one meaning for some particular passages. I challenge you to give us one example of that.

Leviticus 4



1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: 3If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering. King James Bible online.



Leviticus 4

1 The Lord said to Moses,

2"Tell the Isrealites: When a person inadvertently commits a sin against some command of the Lord by doing one of the forbidden things
3 if it is the annointed priest who thus sins and thereby makes the people also become guilty, he shall present to the Lord a young, unblemished bull as a sin offering for the sin he commited. St Joseph "New Catholic Edition" of the Holy Bible 1962, This is from my Bible CP, I have had it since 1966


I opened the book and chose this because it was the 1st page I came to. As you can see, the translation is different, whether or not the meaning is any different is subjective and is open to interetation by the reader. I,m not saying which passage is the correct translation, but you have to admit CP, the translation is different.

BTW, do you think the writer of Leviticus used a word like inadvertantly?

I'll be away on business for 3 days, I'll ask my son to look at verse here and see if the translation is accurate.

[CenterPointEX]

Leviticus 4....I opened the book and chose this because it was the 1st page I came to. As you can see, the translation is different, whether or not the meaning is any different is subjective and is open to interetation by the reader. I,m not saying which passage is the correct translation, but you have to admit CP, the translation is different.

BTW, do you think the writer of Leviticus used a word like inadvertantly?

The challenge was finding a passage in which two translations convey differant meanings. This expample does not pass muster for the challenge as both translations say the same thing. Your Catholic Bible, as well as the KJV were translated not from a translation, but rather they were translated by scholars who have studied Greek and Hebrew who were translating the best available manuscripts from their origional languages.

King James English is a not Modern English... It borders on being foreign... One can have a lot of fun playing the two on each other and this has been done most notibly in Monty Phythons Flying Circus...

but back to the subject... Unintentional sin, Sins committeted in ignorance, inadvertantly sinning... etc. all convey the same meaning.

Basicly this Leviticus four passage... continued in chapter five... and duplicated in Numbers fifteen all deal with the premise that ingnorance of the law is no excuse. The Lord said unto Moses, tell the folks ignorance of the law is no excuse... and when your inadvertant sins are discovered, here is the set of instructions on how to deal with that in case examples.

This is a Biblical Law whose precepts are written into American Law by the way... Try telling the Judge you did not know the speed limit was seventy. He will tell ya, here is how we are gonna deal with your ignorant inadvertant speeding... Bring a calf... or better yet go sell the calf and bring the proceeds to the clerck and we will let you go about your bussiness...

American Indians will not be excused from speeding on the Interstate even if they did not know because they had never been off the reservation... And if'n they tomahawk the judge for his actions... well they will be held responsible for that also... But I wander into infinite digression so I'd better quit while I'm a head...

[Orgnizdlbr]

The challenge was finding a passage in which two translations convey differant meanings. This expample does not pass muster for the challenge as both translations say the same thing. Your Catholic Bible, as well as the KJV were translated not from a translation, but rather they were translated by scholars who have studied Greek and Hebrew who were translating the best available manuscripts from their origional languages.

King James English is a not Modern English... It borders on being foreign... One can have a lot of fun playing the two on each other and this has been done most notibly in Monty Phythons Flying Circus...

but back to the subject... Unintentional sin, Sins committeted in ignorance, inadvertantly sinning... etc. all convey the same meaning.

Basicly this Leviticus four passage... continued in chapter five... and duplicated in Numbers fifteen all deal with the premise that ingnorance of the law is no excuse. The Lord said unto Moses, tell the folks ignorance of the law is no excuse... and when your inadvertant sins are discovered, here is the set of instructions on how to deal with that in case examples.

This is a Biblical Law whose precepts are written into American Law by the way... Try telling the Judge you did not know the speed limit was seventy. He will tell ya, here is how we are gonna deal with your ignorant inadvertant speeding... Bring a calf... or better yet go sell the calf and bring the proceeds to the clerck and we will let you go about your bussiness...

American Indians will not be excused from speeding on the Interstate even if they did not know because they had never been off the reservation... And if'n they tomahawk the judge for his actions... well they will be held responsible for that also... But I wander into infinite digression so I'd better quit while I'm a head...


the interpretation is subjective. " according to the sin of the people" and "makes the people become guilty" can be interpreted differently by different people...like you and I.....how many trnslations from the ancient to greek have been made?

[CenterPointEX]

the interpretation is subjective. " according to the sin of the people" and "makes the people become guilty" can be interpreted differently by different people...like you and I.....how many trnslations from the ancient to greek have been made? The Greek manuscripts have been used to translate into Spanish, King James English, German, American English, and thousands of other languages.

In context both of your translations say the same thing. Inturpretation is not subjective when derived from the context including numbers fifteen which is a parallel passage. If you study the context you will find as I said, "The passage says ignorance of the law is no excuse... If the Priest or Levite teaches you the wrong thing by rote or by example, when your sins are pointed out and or discovered, this is the formula for dealing with them." In other words a priest can make the folks become guilty by teachings contrary to the law. The Priest may teach by expample things contrary to the law thus in following suit the people do sin accordingly..

Lev four goes on to describe the penalty for each office of society; if you will, who commits these sins.

If you don't know Spanish very well and you start reading something in Spanish, then yes... Your limited understanding of Spanish requires you to inject subjective inturpretation. The same thing applies when you start reading King James English, and KJ English is not something you are well versed in. But the folks who put togather the KJV were students of both and thus were qualified to make the translation. But though you and I are versed in neither Greek nor King James English, we can read the whole of chapters four and five in the KJV and because of the context we will see the meaning and it will be clear not subjective... The Bible is Cool like that.

Leviticus 41And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: 3If the priest that is anointed do sin acording to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering. King James Bible online.
Leviticus 4 1 The Lord said to Moses, 2"Tell the Isrealites: When a person inadvertently commits a sin against some command of the Lord by doing one of the forbidden things
3 if it is the annointed priest who thus sins and thereby makes the people also become guilty, he shall present to the Lord a young, unblemished bull as a sin offering for the sin he commited. St Joseph "New Catholic Edition" of the Holy Bible 1962, This is from my Bible CP, I have had it since 1966

[Swamprat]

The Greek manuscripts have been used to translate into Spanish, King James English, German, American English, and thousands of other languages.

ANYTIME you "translate" from one language to another...."stuff" and "context" can and IS lost...or "misinturperted". You can't understand, or believe that can ya CP.

You just can't and won't understand that will ya. :-)
"Leviticus", Shmiticus.....

I've lived in a "few" different cultures...I KNOW how "words" can be misinterperted.
Sometimes...I've actually been told..."there's no translation for that word in my language".

So...the "Greek manuscripts"....they're ALL good. :-) :-0
You really need to "enlighten yourself" grasshopper.

[Orgnizdlbr]

In context both of your translations say the same thing. Inturpretation is not subjective when derived from the context including numbers fifteen which is a parallel passage.



Interpretation is most certainly subjective.....as in I interpret it differently than you.....

[CenterPointEX]

Hermeneutics: The theory and methodology of interpretation.

Using Bible to interpret Bible... if you do such a thing OGB... the answer always comes up the same. You are correct in saying OGB can give anything a definition according to his subjection. One could decide a Tiger is a mouse... and according to that persons understanding the Tiger would be a mouse. But if we poll the audience, read the text books, talk to the animal control people, and take a field trip to the zoo... all of those sources of authority would concur that a tiger is not a mouse... Cept for maybe William Clinton as he would be hung up on the word is.
.............But none the less OGB, if you give Leviticus four Hebrew text, along with numbers fifteen Hebrew text, to a dozen independent Hebrew Scholars... they all return with the same result... The method of using Bible to interpret Bible continues add infinitum to clarify exponentially. The only reason anyone would come up with another meaning to these verses is because they chose to ignore the elephant in the room. Why do people ignore the elephant in the room...? Pride my friend... more often than not Pride...

[Swamprat]

Interpretation is most certainly subjective.....as in I interpret it differently than you.....

Your'e talkin bout the Bible, right labor?

Or just "shit in General".................

[Orgnizdlbr]

Your'e talkin bout the Bible, right labor?

Or just "shit in General".................

In this case, yes Swamp. But interpretation on issues in general can have different interpretations I.E. have two lawyers read the same text and see what each interpretation is......

[CenterPointEX]

I reiterate...

Hermeneutics: The theory and methodology of interpretation.

Using Bible to interpret Bible... if you do such a thing OGB... the answer always comes up the same. You are correct in saying OGB can give anything a definition according to his subjection. One could decide a Tiger is a mouse... and according to that persons understanding the Tiger would be a mouse. But if we poll the audience, read the text books, talk to the animal control people, and take a field trip to the zoo... all of those sources of authority would concur that a tiger is not a mouse... Cept for maybe William Clinton as he would be hung up on the word is.
.............But none the less OGB, if you give Leviticus four Hebrew text, along with numbers fifteen Hebrew text, to a dozen independent Hebrew Scholars... they all return with the same result... The method of using Bible to interpret Bible continues add infinitum to clarify exponentially. The only reason anyone would come up with another meaning to these verses is because they chose to ignore the elephant in the room. Why do people ignore the elephant in the room...? Pride my friend... more often than not Pride...

[CenterPointEX]

The World Muslim population now stands at one billion... a formadible foe... nintey percent Sunni and ten percent Shittes...

[CenterPointEX]

So... Is Islam a religion of peace? Will they lay down their arms and live happily ever if the pull out of Iraq? or will all Hell break loose? If you read it and take it in context... the Koran does not preach love your neighbor as yourself... quite the opposite.

[CenterPointEX]

Speaking of Islam... Our Kenyan Born President Wanna Be... Hussian Obama... as a child... attended Muslim School... Then when he grew up... He converted to the Black Liberation Theology Religion of Rev. Wright... Colin Powell... whom I would have no problem voting for as President... has thrown his Politics out the window to vote along Race lines... I'm thinking that if Obama don't win... they are gonna go nuts... and if'n he Do win... they are gonna go nuts... Let's hope America has not lost all it's senses and given in to subjecting this country to the rule of the UN and the subjigation of our Constitutional Freedoms... The freedom to live in a ditch or to make something of ourselves...

For all you Pro Choicers... listen up... in an Obamanation... you will not have a Choice!

[1sully]

Probably have to rewrite the words to, Not “God Bless America” but God Damn America, in Rap of course.

[Swamprat]

Speaking of Islam... Our Kenyan Born President Wanna Be... Hussian Obama... as a child... attended Muslim School... Then when he grew up... He converted to the Black Liberation Theology Religion of Rev. Wright... Colin Powell... whom I would have no problem voting for as President... has thrown his Politics out the window to vote along Race lines... I'm thinking that if Obama don't win... they are gonna go nuts... and if'n he Do win... they are gonna go nuts... Let's hope America has not lost all it's senses and given in to subjecting this country to the rule of the UN and the subjigation of our Constitutional Freedoms... The freedom to live in a ditch or to make something of ourselves...

For all you Pro Choicers... listen up... in an Obamanation... you will not have a Choice!

See....you and I ain't really that much different at all in our thinking.:D

BUT....barry hussain was born in Hawaii. He's got the papers to prove it.:rolleyes:

[CenterPointEX]

See....you and I ain't really that much different at all in our thinking.:D I do not know if this is a vice or virtue?