Illegal Mexican Workers Protest, "A day without a Mexican"

[CenterPointEX]

A bunch of the illegals protested at work monday... they were rewarded by getting laid of and then offered a job back at mimimum wage... Some of the harder, smarter workers had gotten fifty cent raise, which they lost by not showing up on A day without a Mexican...
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These illegals took the jobs of Power Company Hands in Houston... CenterPoint Energy / Reliant Energy / Houston Lighting and Power / HL&P can not hire Illegal Workers... Too much trouble with the Law... So, they are getting rid of their employees and using contractors who can and do hire illegal workers... These illegal workers work for mimimum wage or less... These are modern day slaves...

[dirtdobber]

so a day without a mexican couldnt really tell they were not working have them try a few years next time.

[Swamprat]

A bunch of the illegals protested at work monday... they were rewarded by getting laid of and then offered a job back at mimimum wage... Some of the harder, smarter workers had gotten fifty cent raise, which they lost by not showing up on A day without a Mexican...
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Good Approach. Too bad EVERY company don't do that.

Understand...

With all these ILLEAGLES that are DEMANDING from America, from An ILLEAGLE standpoint...what they ALSO bring with them.

"Connections". To More ILLEAGLES coming into America, Connections to Drugs coming into America, Conncetions to the mexican Gangs that are multiplying in America.... and I'll say it again. Every ILLEAGLE that shits a kid here in America. It's an "American". THAT'S just COMPLETELY WRONG!

And the FAULT of this? Our Congress. The Senate and the House of Representaves.

Neither one will say Shit when they have a mouth full. THEY are the ones responsible, for NOT listening to the American People.

Control the goddamn borders!!!
MAKE a PLAN that doesn't Tax the True Americans to take care of ****in People who ARE ILLEAGALLY here!!!, AND stress our healthcare, AND our School System!! MAKE ENGLISH, the Language of America!! There's a goddamn start. Don't hold your breath....

God damnit!! How Come ILLEAGLE MEANS something to ME??
Because...as an AMERICAN, If I get caught in our American system, doin something ILLEAGLE...MY ass is BUSTED.

RULES....For AMERICANS, rules to fear and live by.

ILLEAGLES? Screw it....Let em in. "America needs em"....Look at the THOUSANDS of em marchin in the streets!! Wavin the mexican flag, and flyin the American flag upside down.....

Sorta a different "Take" on ILLEAGLE, huh. Well, I personally am friggin Sick of it. AND Sick of the way our Govt. is handeling it. Republican or Democrat, they're all political assholes, and the "American people" really mean nothing to them, unless they are up for re-election.

I don't think ANY Senator, or Rep. should be in office more than 6 years. NEW BLOOD for the rulers of AMERICA.
But Alas....not....
The Congress decides on "term Limits". And guess what they decided? Not.
Why Can"t AMERICA decide on how long those assholes are allowed to Stay in office??? Because......

The american people don't really have a say. Really.
You think you do. :-) Can you Imagine what it would be like with teddy kennedy only being allowed to serve 6 years? ANY Member of the congress!!!

No....
We can't allow "New Blood". God forbid.
Shit may actually HAPPEN in and FOR America!!

[Orgnizdlbr]

A bunch of the illegals protested at work monday... they were rewarded by getting laid of and then offered a job back at mimimum wage... Some of the harder, smarter workers had gotten fifty cent raise, which they lost by not showing up on A day without a Mexican...
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These illegals took the jobs of Power Company Hands in Houston... CenterPoint Energy / Reliant Energy / Houston Lighting and Power / HL&P can not hire Illegal Workers... Too much trouble with the Law... So, they are getting rid of their employees and using contractors who can and do hire illegal workers... These illegal workers work for mimimum wage or less... These are modern day slaves...

CP, I know I am in a different state with different state law, are you telling me that HLP cant hire illegals but a contractor can? I dont understand...do you have a dept of labor in Texas, has the illegal problem been reported to them, have they acted or sat on their hands?

[CenterPointEX]

That is correct HL&P \ Houston LIghting and Power \ CenterPoint Energy \ Reliant Energy, can not hire illegal workers. If a Large Corperation does this the implications are more than the public would be able to stomache... But, if I decided to start up a company that does linework... My company would be able to make a lot of money fast, by using Mexican Slave Labor, and contracting myself out to the Light Company... an if I have to fold when I get caught, so be it... I have been moving my money continuiosly out of the company and investing it in other things... Same game Enron was playing... Everybody in Texas knows that the building and maint of our infrastructure is bourne on the backs of Mexican Wage Slaves... It is sweet to the taste but sours in the stomache... Meaning that for a while we reaped great benifits from this method... But just like the slavery in early America, the time is comming and has now come to "Pay the Piper"... It was a merry ole time, but the party has gotten out of control... One can not drive anywhere in the city of Houston without seeing these men and women... The City of Houston will not break the law and hire illegals... but the City of Houston is contracting out services to contractors who hire nothing but illegal Mexican Wage Slaves... Everybody is looking the other way including me... Why would I do such a thing? If I want to keep my job, I have no other choice... Whenever there is going to be a raid on our workplace, the Mexicans know about it before hand... When somebody tips the authorities, our management knows who done it...? Now, we are choking on Mexican Wage Slaves... They are taking American Jobs and outsourcing them to citizens of other countries right under our noses... Instead of sending our factories across the border in search of cheap wage slavesk they are bringing the wage slaves to our side of the fence... The net effect is jobless Americans like myself three years ago... It is like a drug addiction... If we quit cold turkey, we will suffer withdrawl pains... If we don't stop it... the drug will cause the demise of the American Dream... The American Worker was what he was because he was made by men who thought it important to Love thy neighbor as thyself... Companies built by men like these took care of their employees... They rewarded loyalty with things like liveable pensions and vacation time... Employees returned this loyality and bought into the Company with their time talents and treasures... But, Alas,... America has attempted to castrate God, if that were possible... It spawned the me generation... and now "We Pay the Piper"".....

[wayne440]

The underlying reason for this "illegal" mess has roots in the upset of the supply/demand balance where labor is concerned. Wages have been raised artificially higher by minimum wage laws, union activity and other outside forces. In many instances a "legal" employee costs far more than the inherent worth of the job he/she performs. No wonder a hamburger costs $4 or 5 lately, even when it might be prepared and sold by people who have difficulty making change without a register to do the math.

The demand for low cost labor/manual labor is being met by "illegals" because the average high school graduate feels entitled to more than he/she is actually worth in the job market, and will not do the job.
Everyone seems to think they should start out at 25-35k a year, with 3 or 4 weeks of vacation time- there simply are not that many jobs like that around for the taking.

Message to those who want the short version- It is called "work" for a reason- if the job was fun and easy all the time, you would be paying for it, not getting paid to do it. You are going to have to do things you don't like, so get used to it early and get over it, or watch an "illegal" take your job.

I don't like this mess any more than the next guy, but it didn't happen overnight and probably won't be fixed that quickly. Government action to remove illegal residents would be a good start, but not a long term solution.

W

[Swamprat]

The underlying reason for this "illegal" mess has roots in the upset of the supply/demand balance where labor is concerned. Wages have been raised artificially higher by minimum wage laws, union activity and other outside forces. In many instances a "legal" employee costs far more than the inherent worth of the job he/she performs. No wonder a hamburger costs $4 or 5 lately, even when it might be prepared and sold by people who have difficulty making change without a register to do the math.

The demand for low cost labor/manual labor is being met by "illegals" because the average high school graduate feels entitled to more than he/she is actually worth in the job market, and will not do the job.
Everyone seems to think they should start out at 25-35k a year, with 3 or 4 weeks of vacation time- there simply are not that many jobs like that around for the taking.

Message to those who want the short version- It is called "work" for a reason- if the job was fun and easy all the time, you would be paying for it, not getting paid to do it. You are going to have to do things you don't like, so get used to it early and get over it, or watch an "illegal" take your job.

I don't like this mess any more than the next guy, but it didn't happen overnight and probably won't be fixed that quickly. Government action to remove illegal residents would be a good start, but not a long term solution.

W

EXTREMELY Cool Post. Bulls Eye.

Most of the younger generation of today are to "proud" to do real work, like it's beneith their dignity or something. They think they're "entitled" to a good job. "Get a Grip".

ILLEAGLES "Get it". "WORK". Until Americans "get it",...ILLEAGLES will Always be here. At least they aren't afraid to WORK in "menial" jobs. Americans are...They'd rather collect welfare than pick lettace. THAT's part of the problem too.

[CenterPointEX]

The underlying reason for this "illegal" mess has roots in the upset of the supply/demand balance where labor is concerned. Wages have been raised artificially higher by minimum wage laws, union activity and other outside forces.
....In many instances a "legal" employee costs far more than the inherent worth of the job he/she performs. No wonder a hamburger costs $4 or 5 lately, even when it might be prepared and sold by people who have difficulty making change without a register to do the math.

The demand for low cost labor/manual labor is being met by "illegals"
W

Wayne, where I work, Illegals are doing electrical work. They are doing a lot of things wrong. There is a reason folks have to have a license and training to do this type of work. I am working with them. The problem is bigger than I can fix even in my sphere. I can see; because I worked about fifteen years as a trouble shooter, the long term effect of what they are doing... They have not a clue... by the time shit hits the fan these Mexicans will be long gone...

...For instance, I see these guys pulling cable up tight against sharp edges around corners... I know that after time vibration will cut the insulation and the cable will ground out... whether it be in switchgear or transformers... These Mexicans come and go... it does no good to train them... It gets done cheap... by slave labor that has no ownership of the work they do... Wayne, Unions were formed, laws were made, and wars were fought that no one would again in this country exploit people for profit... we thought we stopped slavery with the Civil War... But I am tell you WAyne... These people are not being paid a liveable wage... They all send money home to Mexico... If they did not, their relatives back in Mexico would starve. Unions were formed so that a company could not force march their employees for a loaf of bread... These Mexicans are being force marched for a bag of beans... The reason they do so is that they have no alternative... Mexico offers them none... Wayne, these guys are doning line work... The Light Company will in the future, pay thru the nose for what they get done on the cheap today. But it don't stop there... They are building our infrastructure... electrical systems, bridges and roadways... Just like in the early days, made in Tiawan was junk... because it was built by uneducated, poor wage slaves... but we bought it because it was cheap... How much of the crap we buy kids for Christmas even makes it through the end of January? Now apply this thought to the integrity of our Nations infrastructure... A Subdivision built in this manor is todays "Chic" and tomorrows slum... Can you say Yugo?

[Swamprat]

Wayne, where I work, Illegals are doing electrical work. They are doing a lot of things wrong. There is a reason folks have to have a license and training to do this type of work. I am working with them. The problem is bigger than I can fix even in my sphere. I can see; because I worked about fifteen years as a trouble shooter, the long term effect of what they are doing... They have not a clue... by the time shit hits the fan these Mexicans will be long gone...

...For instance, I see these guys pulling cable up tight against sharp edges around corners... I know that after time vibration will cut the insulation and the cable will ground out... whether it be in switchgear or transformers... These Mexicans come and go... it does no good to train them... It gets done cheap... by slave labor that has no ownership of the work they do... Wayne, Unions were formed, laws were made, and wars were fought that no one would again in this country exploit people for profit... we thought we stopped slavery with the Civil War... But I am tell you WAyne... These people are not being paid a liveable wage... They all send money home to Mexico... If they did not, their relatives back in Mexico would starve. Unions were formed so that a company could not force march their employees for a loaf of bread... These Mexicans are being force marched for a bag of beans... The reason they do so is that they have no alternative... Mexico offers them none... Wayne, these guys are doning line work... The Light Company will in the future, pay thru the nose for what they get done on the cheap today. But it don't stop there... They are building our infrastructure... electrical systems, bridges and roadways... Just like in the early days, made in Tiawan was junk... because it was built by uneducated, poor wage slaves... but we bought it because it was cheap... How much of the crap we buy kids for Christmas even makes it through the end of January? Now apply this thought to the integrity of our Nations infrastructure... A Subdivision built in this manor is todays "Chic" and tomorrows slum... Can you say Yugo?

So, what's your damn point?
How bout our great frigging Govt. CRACKING Down on compays like this!!!
"Good Work" is one thing. Companys like this is another thing.

Companys like this, hiring ILLEAGLES...and YOU actually work with these bastards?....These companys should be "seriously repermanded". Until our Govt. makes a SERIOUS stand against companys like yours, and the ILLEAGLE Immigrant issue....It's all just a game.

The GAME needs to STOP.
"Se Habil Espanol"? NO I ****ing dont. THIS is AMERICA, we speak ENGLISH.

I was never prejuiced against mexicans...until they started wrecking the standard of life in America. And the FAULT Lies with the American Govt. Pick your Party, they're both the same. AND our WORTHLESS Senate and House of Represenitaves. "Represenitaves" my ass.........Political suck asses, looking for votes to keep them in their plush, do NOTHING jobs.

Build the damn 700 mile wall. They will probably hire ILLEAGLES to build it!

[wayne440]

I'm well aware of the reasoning behind labor unions etc., and obviously this discussion could turn that way fairly easily, but the "illegal" problem would still exist today even if every labor union was disbanded overnight. The problem is that there is a shortage of trained/skilled/concientious workers that will work for the wage that the current labor market will bear.

Yes, Mexicans are doing line work, driving freight trucks, laying up brick and plumbing etc. because they will do these jobs that today's "American" won't. I have a friend that is a plumber locally, and he cannot find a helper from the local "non-Mexican" sources that will show up for more than the first day or two. He doesn't pay $25/hr, but beats a minimum wage hamburger flipper's pay by a great deal. He is strongly "American", and is wrestling with the issue now- hire a Mexican, or operate the shovel himself?

My Dad drove a commercial truck from the age of 15 until he retired at 65, and made what he considered a "good living". He was proud of his work and highly regarded as a safe and concientious driver, who could be trusted to get the job done. High school kids now scoff at the thought of such a job, even though a minimally experienced OTR driver can make 40-50k a year without working too hard. Since even modern trucks won't drive themselves, what would you do if you owned a fleet that had to be on the road? Hire a barely qualified (but willing) Mexican, or let the truck sit while the payments still come due monthly?

Sad as it is, most American workers are over-paid for what they do, compared to the rest of the world economy. The labor market is overdue for what stock market people would call a "correction" where the price of a commodity that has been driven up by indirectly related forces suddenly falls. The rush to move US manufacturing jobs overseas (how much is it really worth for a man/woman to stand beside a machine and push a button, then watch it operate?) and the influx of "illegal" manual labor is the tip of the iceberg. Hang on to your hats folks, we are in for quite a ride here.

W

[Orgnizdlbr]

I'm well aware of the reasoning behind labor unions etc., and obviously this discussion could turn that way fairly easily, but the "illegal" problem would still exist today even if every labor union was disbanded overnight. The problem is that there is a shortage of trained/skilled/concientious workers that will work for the wage that the current labor market will bear.

Yes, Mexicans are doing line work, driving freight trucks, laying up brick and plumbing etc. because they will do these jobs that today's "American" won't. I have a friend that is a plumber locally, and he cannot find a helper from the local "non-Mexican" sources that will show up for more than the first day or two. He doesn't pay $25/hr, but beats a minimum wage hamburger flipper's pay by a great deal. He is strongly "American", and is wrestling with the issue now- hire a Mexican, or operate the shovel himself?

My Dad drove a commercial truck from the age of 15 until he retired at 65, and made what he considered a "good living". He was proud of his work and highly regarded as a safe and concientious driver, who could be trusted to get the job done. High school kids now scoff at the thought of such a job, even though a minimally experienced OTR driver can make 40-50k a year without working too hard. Since even modern trucks won't drive themselves, what would you do if you owned a fleet that had to be on the road? Hire a barely qualified (but willing) Mexican, or let the truck sit while the payments still come due monthly?

Sad as it is, most American workers are over-paid for what they do, compared to the rest of the world economy. The labor market is overdue for what stock market people would call a "correction" where the price of a commodity that has been driven up by indirectly related forces suddenly falls. The rush to move US manufacturing jobs overseas (how much is it really worth for a man/woman to stand beside a machine and push a button, then watch it operate?) and the influx of "illegal" manual labor is the tip of the iceberg. Hang on to your hats folks, we are in for quite a ride here.

W

A very interesting theory, obviously ALL problems associated with the question of illegals doing linework in Texas stem from high paid union people. If you know, or if you can, expand on your theory and advise us on how deregulation of the electric utility industry impacted how the utilities do business with regards to reliability, return to the shareholder, and compensation of the CEO, CFO of said companies. Who, if you know, is the first priority of the utility in the real world, and who is the first priority of the utility supposed to be?

[wayne440]

Did you miss the first paragraph of my post? "Union vs. non-union" is a dead horse on this board. The presence or lack of a union has little to do with setting the "wage that the current labor market will bear", other that the fact that today's unions sometimes price themselves out of the market. Unfortunately, the world labor market now influences wages here in the US to a much greater degree than it has in the past, and this will probably be the case for the foreseeable future.

Management and labor in any large business generally feel that priorities should differ, the electric industry isn't any different in that regard.

[Orgnizdlbr]

Did you miss the first paragraph of my post? "Union vs. non-union" is a dead horse on this board. The presence or lack of a union has little to do with setting the "wage that the current labor market will bear", other that the fact that today's unions sometimes price themselves out of the market. Unfortunately, the world labor market now influences wages here in the US to a much greater degree than it has in the past, and this will probably be the case for the foreseeable future.

Management and labor in any large business generally feel that priorities should differ, the electric industry isn't any different in that regard.

Perhaps I missed your point. If you can, explain to me how the most American workers are over paid for the work they do. If you can, reconcile for us how a highly unionized western european country, Germany for instance, can compensate workers so well and still compete.

You did not answer the questions specific to dereg. of the utility industry and the impact on reliability, executive compensation, and stockholder return. Do any of the previous scenerios play a role in the reduction of an in house workforce and the employment of illegals as described by CP?

[Swamprat]

I hear that most businesses across the country are saying that the
Mexican boycott was a great success.

SHOP LIFTING WAS DOWN 87 %

[wayne440]

I don't intend to address specific industry related scenarios, as the "illegal" problem is spread across any number of industries/jobs. It isn't a question of what "company X" could pay for labor, as almost any company could pay at least a little more. The issue is that many companies no longer see the average "American" worker as a good value for the $$$, compared to the workforce available in other countries or by way of under-the-table hiring.

The bottom line is that unless there are drastic changes this country is likely to be headed for a depression that will make the 30's look like good times.

W

[CenterPointEX]

Wayne, I think you view the world these days from an Ivory Tower... You don't have a clue what is being asked of American Labor today... You work for the goverment... Your pension and bennies are a pipe dream for todays labor... What if your pension, retirement, insurance, etc. were suddenly jerked from under you? And you were replaced with a illegal worker who received none of the bennies? You'd be madder than a thumped hornets nest. Just kick back for a moment and imagine how life would be for you without all those securities.... imagine..., this is happening every day in America. It happened to me... and now I work side by side with these illegal workers.
.... I don't have a problem with supply and demand driving the cost of labor... as long as it is legal labor...
....You keep repeating the MANTRA, these illegal workers are doing jobs Americans won't do. This is not true... Americans would love to have these jobs... But Americans have to pay the price of being American... Americans pay fees for having a drivers license, car insurance, health insurance etc... Illegal Mexican wage slaves have no desire for these things... Oh, they have cars... and they drive... But, what would be the point of an illegal alien having car insurance? or a drivers liscense for that matter... They literally will will work for a bag of beans... Imagine your proud truck driving father working then for todays equivelant of $45 a day less social security. These Mexicans typically live with about 7 to 10 others in a 1500 or less square foot living space. They can not open a bank account so they send their money home to Mexico and the rest they keep in a shoe box... or their left shoe... One of the guys I work with, some days has raw potato for lunch... You can not tell me your proud father would have driven a truck for wages that qualify him for food stamps? Oh maybe he would have... but only under duress...

[wayne440]

I'm not defending the practice of hiring illegals by any means and I'm certainly not going to say that I have an end all solution for the problem. And those who lose "good" jobs to illegals have every reason to be upset, as I would be in that situation.

I would be all for a solution that would allow all legal US citizens to have a job that would provide them with what we in the US consider an average living (nice house and decent automobile, plus money for food, clothing and a bit to save), but cannot see how that can be done when such a lifestyle is so far ahead of that of many other countries who compete for industry's labor $$$.

Sure, I have a "good" government job, I make about half as much as a typical journeyman lineman, and have a retirement plan that is funded with the $$ I don't get to take home. Our health insurance blows just like most everyone else's does to the point I can't afford it, and this year's "raise" will be less than $20/week. If my spouse wasn't working at a well known discount store, I wouldn't have health insurance-at least her's is somewhat affordable. Nonetheless it beats working for Comcast by a wide margin.

I'm paying off my debts as quickly as possible, so that when the economy goes to hell in a handbag, I will still have a roof over my head, and my 20 year old pickup truck. I suggest that many of you here consider doing likewise.

This mess has been building up for a long time, beginning with the exodus of US manufacturing jobs to overseas locations. The only economic difference now is that the labor is coming to us, instead of plants moving out of the US, people are moving in.

W

[Goathead]

I thought they were coming to do jobs that Americans didnt want.How does that have any thing to do with bringing down wage rates?Unless theyre jobs Americans do want and are doing.Thier is a big difference between losing jobs to over seas slave companies,then bringing illegal slaves to our country to lower our wages.labor is a small percentage of cost,but its one of the only costs that these gready companies can abuse.When the cost of oil goes up,the cost of everything goes up.So the only way these gready bastard ceos can keep thier big salaries and bonuses,is to screw the workers.If our cowardly,bought government would do thier dam jobs,then the playing field would be equal.Then we could see "what the market would bear" in a legal American workforce.

[CenterPointEX]

Ummmm, I am thinking I got the soultion... We all take the mark of the Beast... there will be no buying or selling without it... No working across the border etc... Ya, thats it... we all take the chip... then we will know who is who and where they are... N just in case they try to take the chip out to move around... we can put R.F.I.D. in their underwear and nailpolish... Oh wait, we already done that...

[Goathead]

I have no problem with a global economy,thiers negitives and positives for our country in that i.e.loss off manufacturing jobs,but increases in service an technologies.what were talking about here is,companies specificly exploiting people for financial gain,having these people do jobs that thier not qualified or trained to do,and one of those jobs,is a power lineman.And last I knew at least in the northeast thats a petty sought after job.And if youre comparing my thoughts to Hitlers,you couldnt be more wrong.Id call the current situation legalized slavery.No,good christian would want to see any human exploited for greed.Isnt that one of the seven deadly sins?

[wayne440]

"Jobs that Americans won't do" was perhaps a poor choice of words. How about jobs that Americans (a) prefer not to do (b) "can't afford" to do (c) would take if "the pay was right". However you put it, these jobs will not support the lifestyle that many Americans believe that they are entitled to. On the other hand, the job that I could barely get by on is a fantastic wage to "Jose Mexican", and he is glad to have it, far from thinking he is working for slave wages.

Ethical or not, industry has been trying for years to cut labor expenses, and now that the labor pool is drawing from global sources there is a vast opportunity to do so. Many (if not most) domestic employees are looking for more every year, not less, and will "stick to their guns" to avoid a wage cut even if it may drive their employer into the red. One or the other is going to have to give, and it doesn't look like it is going to be the "company", unless the government intervenes.

W

[Goathead]

The illegals that come here want to stay here.You act as if they come to pick fruit at 7:00am and then take thier 3.50/hr back home to mexico at 4:00pm,if you cant live on that in this country,what makes you think they can.Unless you think its ok for the rest of us to pay for the bills the illegals cant like education,and medical,not to mention retirement.The fact is that once they get amnesty,they wont want to do these jobs either.Thiers a huge difference from bringing in skilled and educated immagrants on work visas.These people are un documented illegals period.and as far as companies looking for cheaper labor,to keep the doors open thats thier right.but if thiers a union involved they have to go through the court system to lower wages.If a company is in trouble then every one should help bail it out not just the workers.What do you suppose would happen to a country that has its wage rates lowered by a legalized third world work force,and its cost of living and taxes stay the same or increase,wouldnt we become the third world country.

[wayne440]

It is entirely possible (and IMHO probable) that the US will suffer economic repercussions, to a serious degree.

...The bottom line is that unless there are drastic changes this country is likely to be headed for a depression that will make the 30's look like good times...

It should be obvious that no one is forcing "illegals" to enter the US, so why do they sneak over the border in droves? Perhaps because they see conditions here as better than those at home, even if the job is sub-standard to my or your own expectations.


I would be all for a solution that would allow all legal US citizens to have a job that would provide them with what we in the US consider an average living (nice house and decent automobile, plus money for food, clothing and a bit to save), but cannot see how that can be done when such a lifestyle is so far ahead of that of many other countries who compete for industry's labor $$$.

Perhaps all we have to do is tell these "illegals" how bad they have it here and they will go home.

W

[Swamprat]

Perhaps all we have to do is tell these "illegals" how bad they have it here and they will go home.W

Perhaps we need to make them FEEL how bad it is here, like they're making America FEEL their presence.

Build the Wall.

[wayne440]

A "wall" would be great if properly built and patrolled, but that isn't the politically correct thing these days. If it were my decision to make- How about this- military reserve units need to train regularly, so lets send them to the border attached to the Army Corps of Engineers. I think about 15ft high with a bit of 7200 on top will do to start. I believe it is long past time for the US to secure the border everywhere, not just to the south.

[CenterPointEX]

Goathead makes a valid Point... as soon as these illegals get their papers, they will no longer be of use to those who exploit them... As soon as they become legal, they have to start paying the price of being American... You know getting a Drivers liscense etc... And thus they will require a wage that leaves enough to buy a bag of beans after they pay the price of being American... Because they can no longer be exploited, they will join the ranks of the unemployeed, while they watch a new illegal counterpart assume their position...
................... Meanwhile those of us who still have a legal job will dig deeper to care for the Illegal Wage Slaves who were made legal... and thus charges of the Uninted States Welfare System

[Swamprat]

A "wall" would be great if properly built and patrolled, but that isn't the politically correct thing these days. If it were my decision to make- How about this- military reserve units need to train regularly, so lets send them to the border attached to the Army Corps of Engineers. I think about 15ft high with a bit of 7200 on top will do to start. I believe it is long past time for the US to secure the border everywhere, not just to the south.

Well, I hear ya,
But...we ain't got Canadians sneakin across the boarder yet! :-)
So...The WALL needs to be built in the SOUTH First.
**** "Politically Correct".
The WALL is a REAL possibility, and a proposal. Now....I like your Idea of sendin the military reserves down there to train...AROUND the wall!! :-) That would be DOUBLE protection!!!

[wayne440]

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You heard it here first.

[Dave@PSE&G]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone is here illegally, then they have NOT earned any rights provided by the flag of the United States. NO right to citizenship, No right to vote, No right to an education, No right to medical care, and DEFINITELY no right to protest a ****ing thing!!! I know I sound like a cold scumbag, but there are CITIZENS of this country sleeping in the streets, and we have to indulge border jumpers DEMANDING that they get what they want. Then, as if that wasn't enough, we have to listen to the National Anthem sung in Spanish. What the ...!!!! Honestly, I have no problem with people coming here for a better life, but sign the ****ing book on the way in, pay into the system, and then cut the grass. It's too high from the day off they all had!

[SBatts]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12754924/

You heard it here first.
No you didn't say it first.

I said three years ago to bring the troops home and close the border with them. LOOK MA NO TERRORIST

dubya is just finally bowing to the will of the people. ABOUT TIME THE OAF OF OFFICE LISTENED.

[wayne440]

Good for you. I actually meant "first" on this board, as I certainly don't presume my suggestion to be original.

[SBatts]

Good for you. I actually meant "first" on this board, as I certainly don't presume my suggestion to be original.

I MADE IT ON THIS BOARD AND THOSE bush LOVING C0CKSUCKERS JUMPED ALL OVER IT. WHOS RIGHT NOW SWAMPSHIT????????????

[Swamprat]

I MADE IT ON THIS BOARD AND THOSE bush LOVING C0CKSUCKERS JUMPED ALL OVER IT. WHOS RIGHT NOW SWAMPSHIT????????????

Damn batshit, You should be HAPPY!

The President is finally taking your instructions!!! :-) :-) :-)
You sorry worthless bastard.

BTW dickhead. "I" wouldn't "jump all over" a suggestion like that. If it was up to me, there'd be landmines along the boarder. So you go blow smoke up your ass.

I been against ILLEAGLE immigration, since before you got your panties all in a wad when someone posted a certain picture....couple years ago.

Yeah, right. "I MADE IT ON THIS BOARD". If you did, it was one of the only goddamn times we have ever agreed.

There HAVE been a couple. You're still a Dick though...And...I'm still an asshole.

**** you.

[SBatts]

Damn batshit, You should be HAPPY!

The President is finally taking your instructions!!! :-) :-) :-)
You sorry worthless bastard.

BTW dickhead. "I" wouldn't "jump all over" a suggestion like that. If it was up to me, there'd be landmines along the boarder. So you go blow smoke up your ass.

I been against ILLEAGLE immigration, since before you got your panties all in a wad when someone posted a certain picture....couple years ago.

Yeah, right. "I MADE IT ON THIS BOARD". If you did, it was one of the only goddamn times we have ever agreed.

There HAVE been a couple. You're still a Dick though...And...I'm still an asshole.

**** you.

JUST TO REFRESH YOUR RUM SOAKED MEMORY. JUST A COUPLE OF PAST POST ON THE SUBJECT

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bashlin
well batts, do you know of anyone that can stop illeagals from crossing the boarder? what would be a good plan? what is really happening is a train wreck. more mexican workers are crossing over just to find thier is no work here. about 85% of farm work is going to machines so what are they going to do when they get over here, rob, kill, and somehow they get our tax dollars to support thier families when they are not ever citizens. the red cross is paying some of thier light bills now, i've seen it first hand, they will not get another dime from me. don't worry swamp i know what your saying.


How about putting 141,000 well trained combat hardened Veterans across the southern border. Since swampshit and his moron prez are so fuking worried about terrorist. Stop them there. At least the troops can have a pass and get layed and have a drink after work.

Now they are getting killed in a hot hostile dump spending your great grand childrens future, and the @$$whole are still coming across the border.

Again swampshit. Saudi and Afganistan attacked New York and Washington DC. The Cole, The barracks, and the World Trade center in 1993.

You idiot way of thinking instead of attacking Japan and Germany ( Germany declared war on the US Dec 9, two days after Pearl Harbor) we should have attacked Sweden. YOU SEE swampiss SWEDEN HAD AS MUCH TO DO WITH PEARL HARBOR AS IRAQ DID WITH 9/11.

dubya SOLD YOU A BILL OF GOOD. YOU MUST BE GAY swampjerk THE WAY YOU TAKE IT AND LIKE IT FROM bush.

IN A DEBATE BETWEEN YOUNG REPUBLICANS AND YOUNG DEMOCRATES ON BILL O'REILLY (bush lover) BILL ASK BOTH WHY THEY DID NOT JOIN THE ARMY. THE FAT DEMOCRAT SAID HE WOULD BUT WAS REJECTED, AND THE MOTOR MOUTH YOUNG REPUBLICAN STATED HIS FIGHT WAS ON THE HOME FRONT NOT IN IRAQ. SO SEE swampmoron A WHOLE NEW CROP OF DEMOCRATS IN THE FOX HOLES DYING AND A WHOLE NEW CROP OF FLAG WAVING CHICKENSHIT CHICKENHAWK REPUBLICAN PUNKS.

THERE WAS A NUT CASE PROTESTING THE MOTHER CINDY SHEEHAN, THAT HAD LOST HIS SON. THE MORON STATED HE AGREEDED WITH HIS OTHER 16 YEAR OLD SON, THAT HE SHOULD JOIN, AND IF HE LOST HIS WHOLE FAMILY THAT WAS HIS DUTY. 9SUPER MORON)

AGAIN WHITEHOUSE PAPERS HAS COME TO LIGHT FROM dubyas OWN STATE DEPARTMENT SHOWING HE DID NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THE AFTERMAT OF THE WAR.


Forum: Politics and BS 02-24-2006, 08:57 AM
Replies: 59 United Arab Emirates: US Port Security
Views: 1,287 Posted By SBatts
Another America Worker Screwed

Here is the only point. Another American workers group put under fire from a country, that is out to ruin America.

Wait till it happens to trhe Line Trade and then BITCH. TOO LATE then.

SO WHERE DO

United Arab Emirates: US Port Security
Views: 1,287 Posted By SBatts
Your beating a dead horse with these bush loving...

Your beating a dead horse with these bush loving morons.

Border security or port security, bush bends over like brokeback OAF OF OFFICE.


"Wolf, this may be the straw that finally breaks the...

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[QUOTE=CenterPointEX
....So my question still stands Batts, What do you think will happen if'n we just pull out yesterday...? Think they will be pacified, and they will just leave us alone? I'm thinking that they will get out their Swords N go around Iraq doing the Muhammed thing... Submit or die... Then they will marshall the troops... strap bombs to them... an point them at the West... and at some Point, guys like Batts will understand that something has to be done to stop them...[/QUOTE]

I don't know where you were dicking around at. I was in Houston and Rita started dropping from a Cat 5 and moving away from Galveston as center. I staid in my travel trailer did not worry about a frigging moron mayor. I also rode out Hurricane Carla, 1961.

I like your Fuking open door policy on letting bombers into the US to wreck havoc. You Moron. we are targets in Iraq. Come home close the door. If they get in then strike the right country. That would be Saudi Arabia you moron.

[Swamprat]

JUST TO REFRESH YOUR RUM SOAKED MEMORY. JUST A COUPLE OF PAST POST ON THE SUBJECT

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bashlin
well batts, do you know of anyone that can stop illeagals from crossing the boarder? what would be a good plan? what is really happening is a train wreck. more mexican workers are crossing over just to find thier is no work here. about 85% of farm work is going to machines so what are they going to do when they get over here, rob, kill, and somehow they get our tax dollars to support thier families when they are not ever citizens. the red cross is paying some of thier light bills now, i've seen it first hand, they will not get another dime from me. don't worry swamp i know what your saying.


How about putting 141,000 well trained combat hardened Veterans across the southern border. Since swampshit and his moron prez are so fuking worried about terrorist. Stop them there. At least the troops can have a pass and get layed and have a drink after work.

Now they are getting killed in a hot hostile dump spending your great grand childrens future, and the @$$whole are still coming across the border.

Again swampshit. Saudi and Afganistan attacked New York and Washington DC. The Cole, The barracks, and the World Trade center in 1993.

You idiot way of thinking instead of attacking Japan and Germany ( Germany declared war on the US Dec 9, two days after Pearl Harbor) we should have attacked Sweden. YOU SEE swampiss SWEDEN HAD AS MUCH TO DO WITH PEARL HARBOR AS IRAQ DID WITH 9/11.

dubya SOLD YOU A BILL OF GOOD. YOU MUST BE GAY swampjerk THE WAY YOU TAKE IT AND LIKE IT FROM bush.

IN A DEBATE BETWEEN YOUNG REPUBLICANS AND YOUNG DEMOCRATES ON BILL O'REILLY (bush lover) BILL ASK BOTH WHY THEY DID NOT JOIN THE ARMY. THE FAT DEMOCRAT SAID HE WOULD BUT WAS REJECTED, AND THE MOTOR MOUTH YOUNG REPUBLICAN STATED HIS FIGHT WAS ON THE HOME FRONT NOT IN IRAQ. SO SEE swampmoron A WHOLE NEW CROP OF DEMOCRATS IN THE FOX HOLES DYING AND A WHOLE NEW CROP OF FLAG WAVING CHICKENSHIT CHICKENHAWK REPUBLICAN PUNKS.

THERE WAS A NUT CASE PROTESTING THE MOTHER CINDY SHEEHAN, THAT HAD LOST HIS SON. THE MORON STATED HE AGREEDED WITH HIS OTHER 16 YEAR OLD SON, THAT HE SHOULD JOIN, AND IF HE LOST HIS WHOLE FAMILY THAT WAS HIS DUTY. 9SUPER MORON)

AGAIN WHITEHOUSE PAPERS HAS COME TO LIGHT FROM dubyas OWN STATE DEPARTMENT SHOWING HE DID NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THE AFTERMAT OF THE WAR.


Forum: Politics and BS 02-24-2006, 08:57 AM
Replies: 59 United Arab Emirates: US Port Security
Views: 1,287 Posted By SBatts
Another America Worker Screwed

Here is the only point. Another American workers group put under fire from a country, that is out to ruin America.

Wait till it happens to trhe Line Trade and then BITCH. TOO LATE then.

SO WHERE DO

United Arab Emirates: US Port Security
Views: 1,287 Posted By SBatts
Your beating a dead horse with these bush loving...

Your beating a dead horse with these bush loving morons.

Border security or port security, bush bends over like brokeback OAF OF OFFICE.


"Wolf, this may be the straw that finally breaks the...

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[QUOTE=CenterPointEX
....So my question still stands Batts, What do you think will happen if'n we just pull out yesterday...? Think they will be pacified, and they will just leave us alone? I'm thinking that they will get out their Swords N go around Iraq doing the Muhammed thing... Submit or die... Then they will marshall the troops... strap bombs to them... an point them at the West... and at some Point, guys like Batts will understand that something has to be done to stop them...

I don't know where you were dicking around at. I was in Houston and Rita started dropping from a Cat 5 and moving away from Galveston as center. I staid in my travel trailer did not worry about a frigging moron mayor. I also rode out Hurricane Carla, 1961.

I like your Fuking open door policy on letting bombers into the US to wreck havoc. You Moron. we are targets in Iraq. Come home close the door. If they get in then strike the right country. That would be Saudi Arabia you moron.[/QUOTE]

I love it when you get back on here...really! :-) :-)
Throw you a bone, you'll dig for hours. :-)

What did that take you? 2 hours to look up all those posts? :-)
Course they don't have a Damn thing to do with Illeagle Immigration, but at least ya had a couple hrs of fun. :-)

What about the Presidents speach tonight?
I thought it was AWSOME, and about time!!

What's your take...democrat? :-)

[thrasher]

Swamp I liked the presidents speech HOWEVER I will lay odds that what the president described and what (if anything) is passed by congress will bear only a faint relationship to each other. The problem is both parties are trying to court the new hispanic voters so neither one is going to really crack down on the illegal immigrants. Hope I'm wrong but I doubt it. This is one issue where I just don't see and haven't seen much if any action for the last twenty years.

[SBatts]

What about the Presidents speach tonight?
I thought it was AWSOME, and about time!!

What's your take...democrat? :-)


MY TAKE IS THE MORON'S MOUTH MOVED AND HE DIDN'T SAY SHIT.

dubya For decades, the United States has not been in complete control of its borders. As a result, many who want to work in our economy have been able to sneak across our border -- and millions have stayed.

[1] THIS STUPID SHIT LOOKED DAZED ON 9/11/2001. HE ATTACKED IRAQ WHILE HIS HOMELAND SECURITY SAID IT WOULD TAKE 10 YEARS TO SECURE THE BORDER. NOW THAT HE IS IN TROUBLE HE MOVES AFTER FIVE YEARS TO DO WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE 9/12/2001. HE HAS BEEN UNWILLING TO CONTROL THE BORDER.

dubya Fourth, we must face the reality that millions of illegal immigrants are already here. They should not be given an automatic path to citizenship. This is amnesty, and I oppose it. Amnesty would be unfair to those who are here lawfully -- and it would invite further waves of illegal immigration.
Some in this country argue that the solution is to deport every illegal immigrant -- and that any proposal short of this amounts to amnesty. I disagree. It is neither wise nor realistic to round up millions of people, many with deep roots in the United States, and send them across the border. There is a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant, and a program of mass deportation. That middle ground recognizes that there are differences between an illegal immigrant who crossed the border recently -- and someone who has worked here for many years, and has a home, a family, and an otherwise clean record. I believe that illegal immigrants who have roots in our country and want to stay should have to pay a meaningful penalty for breaking the law...to pay their taxes...to learn English...and to work in a job for a number of years. People who meet these conditions should be able to apply for citizenship -- but approval would not be au tomatic, and they will have to wait in line behind those who played by the rules and followed the law. What I have just described is not amnesty -- it is a way for those who have broken the law to pay their debt to society, and demonstrate the character that makes a good citizen.

Fifth, we must honor the great American tradition of the melting pot, which has made us one Nation out of many peoples. The success of our country depends upon helping newcomers assimilate into our society, and embrace our common identity as Americans. Americans are bound together by our shared ideals, an appreciation of our history, respect for the flag we fly, and an ability to speak and write the English language. English is also the key to unlocking the opportunity of America.

English allows newcomers to go from picking crops to opening a grocery...from cleaning offices to running offices ... from a life of low-paying jobs to a diploma, a career, and a home of their own. When immigrants assimilate and advance in our society, they realize their dreams...they renew our spirit...and they add to the unity of America


[2] DON'T GIVE ME THAT SHIT ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO ROUND UP 12 MILLION ILLEGALS. HELL HITLER DID IT IN THE 1930S

THAT LAST QUOTE SAID IT ALL FROM LOW PAY OFFICE CLEANING JOBS THAT AMERICANS WON'T DO (MY ASS). TO RUNNING THE OFFICES THAT AMERICANS DO DO, BUT AT A CHEAPER WAGE.


dubya One way to help during this transition is to use the National Guard. So in coordination with governors, up to 6,000 Guard members will be deployed to our southern border. The Border Patrol will remain in the lead. The Guard will assist the Border Patrol by operating surveillance systems ... analyzing intelligence ... installing fences and vehicle barriers ... building patrol roads ... and providing training. Guard units will not be involved in direct law enforcement activities -- that duty will be done by the Border Patrol. This initial commitment of Guard members would last for a period of one year. After that, the number of Guard forces will be reduced as new Border Patrol agents and new technologies come online. It is important for Americans to know that we have enough Guard forces to win the war on terror, respond to natural disasters, and help secure our border.

The United States is not going to militarize the southern border. Mexico is our neighbor, and our friend. We will continue to work cooperatively to improve security on both sides of the border ... to confront common problems like drug trafficking and crime ... and to reduce illegal immigration.


[3]WELL JUST WHAT THE **** IS THE NATIONAL GUARD GOING TO DO IN THEIR 2 WEEK ROTATION? YOU DROVE A BUCKET TRUCK FROM TEXAS TO FLORIDA???????

SAME WITH NATIONAL GUARD. THATS THE PLAN TO USE THE 2 WEEKS A YEAR TRAINING ON THE BORDER.

NO PATROLS, NO ARREST BY GUARDS, MOST UNARMED. THATS THE PLAN GREAT PLAN. SOME MORE NATIONAL GUARDS KILLED BECAUSE NO WEAPONS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM DRUG RUNNERS.



YOUR RIGHT GREAT SPEECH. THE OAF OF OFFICE HAS YOU MORONS BY YOUR BALLS AGAIN.

MY MISTAKE YOU HAVE NO BALLS























.

[Swamprat]

Swamp I liked the presidents speech HOWEVER I will lay odds that what the president described and what (if anything) is passed by congress will bear only a faint relationship to each other. The problem is both parties are trying to court the new hispanic voters so neither one is going to really crack down on the illegal immigrants. Hope I'm wrong but I doubt it. This is one issue where I just don't see and haven't seen much if any action for the last twenty years.

Well, I don't know Thrash.
I'm thinkin 6,000 Guard toops backin up the boarder patrol with night vision, flyin drons, and the technology of our military, may just really have an impact on border crossings in the next year.

As for our worthless Congress...Both Sides. Don't EVEN get me started. It ain't the President, whatever party. It's the infighting in our house and senate that truly **** over America. You wonder WHY I support TERM Limits? But guess who has to vote in Term Limits? You got it, the house and the senate.

Like THAT's gonna happen. America comes Second to the politics of the House and Senate. The President may be the man, but Those assholes control America.

TERM LIMITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8 Years!! GO HOME! New BLOOD for America!

Not.

[Swamprat]

[3]WELL JUST WHAT THE **** IS THE NATIONAL GUARD GOING TO DO IN THEIR 2 WEEK ROTATION? YOU DROVE A BUCKET TRUCK FROM TEXAS TO FLORIDA???????

SAME WITH NATIONAL GUARD. THATS THE PLAN TO USE THE 2 WEEKS A YEAR TRAINING ON THE BORDER.

NO PATROLS, NO ARREST BY GUARDS, MOST UNARMED. THATS THE PLAN GREAT PLAN. SOME MORE NATIONAL GUARDS KILLED BECAUSE NO WEAPONS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM DRUG RUNNERS.



YOUR RIGHT GREAT SPEECH. THE OAF OF OFFICE HAS YOU MORONS BY YOUR BALLS AGAIN.

Would you say the same thing if a Democrat President had done the same thing? Clinton could have done it. Why didn't he?

You're a true democrat. Keep postin batshit. As CP would say..."Your a POSTER BOY".
Of what liberal democrats really are. Ignorant. Keep postin, Please.

[CenterPointEX]

On occasion I agree with Swamp...

[SBatts]

Would you say the same thing if a Democrat President had done the same thing? Clinton could have done it. Why didn't he?

You're a true democrat. Keep postin batshit. As CP would say..."Your a POSTER BOY".
Of what liberal democrats really are. Ignorant. Keep postin, Please.

LET'S EXPLORE YOUR RUM SOAKED STATEMENT.

20 years ago Ronnie (****ING AMERICAN JOB BUSTING) Reagan gave Amnesty to 4 million illegals and was going to stop the illegals at the border

For the next 20 year 12 million drug smuggling killers rapest, poured into this country. 12 of those years was under a repuglicking prez and 14 years was by a republican cheap wage congress.

WHAT I LOVE ABOUT WHAT bush wants to do now is only backed by MCCAIN AND TED KENNEDY. WHAT????? bush and KENNEDY.

BELOW IS JUST PART OF ONLY ONE TIME BILL CLINTON ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE TO A REPUGLICKING CONTROLED CONGRESS.

americanpresidency.org

• William J. Clinton
The President's Radio Address
May 6th, 1995
Good morning. This morning I want to talk with you about the problem of illegal immigration. It's a problem our administration inherited, and it's a very serious one. It costs the taxpayers of the United States a lot of money, and it's unfair to Americans who are working every day to pay their own bills. It's also unfair to a lot of people who have waited in line for years and years in other countries to be legal immigrants.

Our Nation was built by immigrants. People from every region of the world have made lasting and important contributions to our society. We support legal immigration. In fact, we're doing what we can to speed up the process for people who do apply for citizenship when they're here legally. But we won't tolerate immigration by people whose first act is to break the law as they enter our country. We must continue to do everything we can to strengthen our borders, enforce our laws, and remove illegal aliens from our country.

As I said in my State of the Union Address, we are a nation of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. And it is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years.

This week, I sent strong legislation to Congress to try to stop those abuses, to secure our borders in the future, and to speed up deportation of illegal immigrants.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/print.php?pid=51324


NOW THERE IS A BILL AFOOT THE CAN IMMIGRATE MINIMUM OF 130 MILLION PEOPLE INTO THE US IN THE NEED 30 YEARS. NEED I SAY MORE COCKSUCKER???


The Immigrant.....NOT! Illegal "Alien"....YES! Demonstrations
Submitted by Shayne Munger on April 11, 2006 - 2:15pm.Hot Topics
My email to Lou Dobbs on the above subject with CCs to all the Democratic Leadership, My Senators, La Raza, Newspaper Editors and Religious Organizations.

Mr. Lou Dobbs;

Re; The "immigrant" demonstrations yesterday. I'm a flaming "liberal (as I've been told by my Republican friends) and as a liberal and a patriot I believe in the "rule of law". I have written many emails and letters to my Congressional Reps. demanding that President Bush, for one, be held accountable for breaking the law. He and no one else is above the law. So as a liberal and a patriot I demand that these 11 to 20 million "illegal" ALIENS (not immigrants!) also be held accountable for breaking the law.

I brought my ex-wife into this country "legally" and she has become an American citizen It took me two years just to get her here fighting the bureaucracy and rules of the immigration dept. It took her another 5 years to get her citizenship and she even spoke English when she came here. Now that's a real immigrant.

These supposed 2 million demonstrators that demonstrated yesterday are mostly illegal aliens and non-citizens demanding that we forgive their lawbreaking. These guys can't even vote but I and others can and we will remember this insult and attack by Corporatists This is an insult to my ex-wife and me who took the "legal" path to get her here. I don't care what flags they are waving they are criminals and do NOT deserve to be Americans.

This whole push to give amnesty to these people and to bring up to 400,000 more cheap labor workers is nothing but an effort by Corporate America and Coporatist Congressional Reps. like Hillary Clinton to bring cheap labor into this country to drive down the wages and the benefits of hard working American workers. This is just another way for these Corporatists to attack the American Middle Class and the American Family and drive them into poverty.

Shayne Munger
5184 Merrill Ave.
Riverside, CA 92504
951-637-3910




“No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.” ~FDR

[Swamprat]

"William J. Clinton
The President's Radio Address
May 6th, 1995
Good morning. This morning I want to talk with you about the problem of illegal immigration. It's a problem our administration inherited, and it's a very serious one. It costs the taxpayers of the United States a lot of money, and it's unfair to Americans who are working every day to pay their own bills. It's also unfair to a lot of people who have waited in line for years and years in other countries to be legal immigrants.

Our Nation was built by immigrants. People from every region of the world have made lasting and important contributions to our society. We support legal immigration. In fact, we're doing what we can to speed up the process for people who do apply for citizenship when they're here legally. But we won't tolerate immigration by people whose first act is to break the law as they enter our country. We must continue to do everything we can to strengthen our borders, enforce our laws, and remove illegal aliens from our country.

As I said in my State of the Union Address, we are a nation of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. And it is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years.

This week, I sent strong legislation to Congress to try to stop those abuses, to secure our borders in the future, and to speed up deportation of illegal immigrants."


Well...THAT really worked huh batshit? :-) :-)

Heard today that the congress FINALLY approved building a WALL...What...740 like Miles? COOL!! That will make things "difficult" for the bastards. So, what's your point asshole? Clinton could have built the wall in 95. Course..."things were different back in 95". BRING them democrats in!! :-) :-)

Keep postin batshit.... You Liberal Poster boy. :-)
I'll keep drinkin my Captain Morgan, and screwin with your stupid ass. :-0

Why don't ya take your old ass back out in the RV, and go ...."visit somebody". :-) We sure as shit won't miss ya.....

[SBatts]

"William J. Clinton
The President's Radio Address
May 6th, 1995
Good morning. This morning I want to talk with you about the problem of illegal immigration. It's a problem our administration inherited, and it's a very serious one. It costs the taxpayers of the United States a lot of money, and it's unfair to Americans who are working every day to pay their own bills. It's also unfair to a lot of people who have waited in line for years and years in other countries to be legal immigrants.

Our Nation was built by immigrants. People from every region of the world have made lasting and important contributions to our society. We support legal immigration. In fact, we're doing what we can to speed up the process for people who do apply for citizenship when they're here legally. But we won't tolerate immigration by people whose first act is to break the law as they enter our country. We must continue to do everything we can to strengthen our borders, enforce our laws, and remove illegal aliens from our country.

As I said in my State of the Union Address, we are a nation of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. And it is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years.

This week, I sent strong legislation to Congress to try to stop those abuses, to secure our borders in the future, and to speed up deportation of illegal immigrants."


Well...THAT really worked huh batshit? :-) :-)

Heard today that the congress FINALLY approved building a WALL...What...740 like Miles? COOL!! That will make things "difficult" for the bastards. So, what's your point asshole? Clinton could have built the wall in 95. Course..."things were different back in 95". BRING them democrats in!! :-) :-)

Keep postin batshit.... You Liberal Poster boy. :-)
I'll keep drinkin my Captain Morgan, and screwin with your stupid ass. :-0

Why don't ya take your old ass back out in the RV, and go ...."visit somebody". :-) We sure as shit won't miss ya.....


CLINTON COULD NOT GET SHIT AROUND THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLED CONGRESS. ALL YOUR ****ING BUSINESS FRIENDS HIRING ILLEGALS BOUGHT THE CONGRESS C0CKSUCKER.

DON'T NEED A WALL, WITH 130 MILLION WALKING IN LEGAL IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. WAKE UP YOU STUPID C0CKSUCKER.

[CenterPointEX]

The Senate Passes Amnesty for Illegals Today


4 Democrats and 32 Republicans voted against amnesty for illegal aliens.

38 Democrats 23 Republicans and 1 Independent voted FOR amnesty. How did your Senator vote?Grouped By Vote Position

Against Amnesty ---36

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bond (R-MO)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Nelson (D-NE)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)

-----------------------------------------------------

For Amnesty ---62

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS) THIS COCKSUCKER IS MINE
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
Dayton (D-MN)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 2

Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)

[dbrown20]

Why is Swampy so hung up on a sick bird? An Ill Eagle.....? You know they have this book called a dictionary. Sometimes it ..... Aw forget it. dbrown20

[dbrown20]

Have you ever heard of a Freudian Slip DBrown?

By the way, WWW.Dictionary.com (http://WWW.Dictionary.com) works just good as the hard copy.


WWW.Bible.com (http://WWW.Bible.com) will give you some answers you won't find in the dictionary though

If you just crossed the river and are wondering what to do next... http://www.illegalimmagrant.com/

Yes and I've also heard of a dumb ass slip in his case. I also have read that part of the bible that says beware of wolves in sheep's clothing preacherman. dbrown20

[Swamprat]

Why is Swampy so hung up on a sick bird? An Ill Eagle.....? You know they have this book called a dictionary. Sometimes it ..... Aw forget it. dbrown20

Yeah, really...forget it.
You think on a board, I'm gonna do a spell check? :-)
Ya read my shit, ya get my drift. If not,....well there ya go. If my spelling sometimes bothers ya, then you're way to critical of unimportant shit, and miss the real shit of a comment. But hay!...."Give a shit". :-)

And yeah...maby you are a wolf in sheeps clothing CP. :-)

I'm startin to think you're a Stalker!! Tryin to "save" my ass. :-) :-) :-)

[Swamprat]

The Wolf in Sheeps clothing spoke of in the Bible are those who pretend piety, and teach another gospel... The gospel of Works...

Damn.
There ya go, talkin bout me and my pitchfork again. :-)

[CenterPointEX]

Were back to the Mexican thing again