Interesting? Possible? Bullshit?...What?

[Swamprat]

Its later than you think: A Frightening Analysis
We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration -- both legal and illegal -- was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United State s. He said, If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

"First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: "Second, to destroy America, invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

"Third, we could make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity! over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other, that is, when they are not killing each other. A. diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus'. instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits;! make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America. deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America. Take note of California and other states -- to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast if we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream. Thought provoking?

[dog38]

please forgive my spelling.Wasnt krychov who said the United States of America would be taken over with out a single shot being fired. Look were there at now.

[Koga]

its bullshit. I dont know if Mr. Lamm really said it, but it does seem to be based on alot of fact and truths. Take for instance the news lately how the illegal mexican gangs are flooding into New Orleans. They come in with trade skills to supposedly help rebuild. Two of em passing through Baton Rouge, tortured and killed a guy while raping his girlfriend multiple times. They just arrested another one down in the big chocolate . Pulled him down off a roof at his job site. Wanted for 2 murders in Texas. Ya I see it happening all the time.


Koga

[Viperexaf]

Bad part is, it's only gonna get worse as time creeps on. I know of a few places back east that if you don't know at least two languages then your not gonna get hired on there. Even out here in cali then you need to know two languages because of the illegals coming in and majority of em don't know how to speak english or the ones that do know how then they refuse to speak it. I know we're suppose to live in a democrazy, but it's startin to feel more like capitolism anymore. But i'm still a patriot and a loving flag waver because i still believe we live in the best country in the world and call it a fools hope, but i do have hope that things will get better eventually.

[Viperexaf]

please forgive my spelling.Wasnt krychov who said the United States of America would be taken over with out a single shot being fired. Look were there at now.
Think about that for a minute dog, I don't think there's a single country out there that would try or want to take over the united states. 1. is because of our technology and training that our troops have. 2. I remember a post on here awhile back about what is an american? long story short, americans come in all shapes and sizes and from numerous religions, there is no real american, but on that same note, who in their right mind (country leader) would want to take on the problems that goes on here, i'm pretty sure it would drive any other world leader to commit suicide if he had to deal with our life styles here. So moreless can america be destroyed, of course, but the only one that can do it is america.

[dirtdobber]

#1 constitonal right to keep and bare ARMS. the GOV can have mine after
they pry it out of my cold stiff fingers. as far as being overrun by mexicans or who ever talk to your elected leaders. stop voting see what happens not a damn thing will change bleeding heart libberals. bring back capitol punishment then maybe these baby rapers will die a little sooner. instead of sitting on death row for life & living better than some of our own descent human beings we seem to forget about. lets see a news reporter do a story about our own backyard bet he wont have a job long. sometimes this cntry reely sux HOME OF THE FREE MY ASS AINT A DAMN THING FREE. close the borders & stop free trade.

[Koga]

As in NAFTA. One thing stands out from the presidentail elections when that little man with the big ears (not GW) from Texas was running. He said if NAFTA was passed we would hear "the giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the country". Mr Perot was right on the mark with that one.

Koga

[Viperexaf]

As in NAFTA. One thing stands out from the presidentail elections when that little man with the big ears (not GW) from Texas was running. He said if NAFTA was passed we would hear "the giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the country". Mr Perot was right on the mark with that one.

Koga
That damn sucking sound has never left, alot of corporations such as whirlpool and wal mart are already starting to move down south and closing plants and stores here in the states. Course if NAFTA gets passed then it's gonna be 100 times worse then what it is now

[CenterPointEX]

If NAFTA gets passed? I thought it already was...

I got a better way to destroy America...

Make the schools teach the Religion of Darwinism. Which promotes the theory of evolution to fact status and demotes the notion of God to myth status. That way America can be done with the notion that we are responsible for our actions, cause after all we are a product of our enviorment, and survival of the fittest prevails... then because there are no eternal consequences to our actions, we will be free to express ourselves in any sexual, physical, or political manor we see fit. And if it is not the fittest of endeavers we pursue, then the precepts of Darwinism will correct, and if anyone gets hurt, or killed in the process... well, that is just the nature of Darwinism... no big deal...

[Koga]

passed 10 yrs ago. Lets open this can and see what crawls out. Remember Ms. Elders.(what an idiot) and her solution for sex education and welfare babies. My question, Who was supposed to teach this to the kids :confused: ? Hell we have enough problems in schools already!!!!
Oh wait, maybe thats what those women teachers screwing the kids have been teaching.

[dirtdobber]

lets just go back to how things were approx 30-40 years ago when neighbors were willing to help neighbors.not lets see who can screw who out of what.I happen to be a friendless s.o.b. got to where I dont trust a damn sole!! if we think back nafta was & is the worst thing we as a free country could have done.its like paying taxes its against your constitutional rights to change it we need to stand as a people(boston tea party) over throw the blood suckers. we working stiffs will and do feel the blunt of it all.as far as what I think when goverment took moms out of the house and replaced her with violent video games & cartoons we as a country went to HELL!!! :mad:

[CenterPointEX]

I believe... we are trying to trying to get you to understand that what ever religion it is that you believe in, it ain't the only one...

...AS LONG AS WE ALL BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD, OUR SAVIOR, WHERE IS YOUR PROBLEM?...:p

...the only way is to have FAITH in the LORD! All Christians that fall in the pail of orthodoxy; Dirtdobber, believe the things I am telling you.. This includes Babtists, Catholics, Lutherans, etc. It seems to me, that you are agreeing with me dirtdobber, that the only way to heaven is thru faith in Jesus Christ... But I am not sure... If this is true, then you disagree with Swamp, because you believe there is only one way... Jesus Christ...

... The reason I push this question, is because as you have seen... your buddy Swamp here does not believe that the only way to Heaven is thru Jesus Christ.

From what I can gather, Swamp believes that all the following religions... Hindu, Buddist, Islamic, Morman, etc. all call the same person god... and no matter which one of these religions you belong to... you are ok.

Swamp would have us believe that Budda is our Lord and our Savior, just as Allah or Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior... Swamp would have you believe that the only differance between them is, that there is not really a differance all because all the cultures have the same god but differant stories about him...

...AS LONG AS WE ALL BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD, OUR SAVIOR, WHERE IS YOUR PROBLEM?...:p Dirtdobber, Since you did not tell us who your god is in this statement, this statement could be true for all of Swamps gods, who he claims are really not differant gods but one,

Swamp one of the ten commandments says "remember the Sabath and keep it Holy"... do you really believe in that one... or are you just joshing us?

[Goathead]

Most of the Mexicans are catholics,so wouldnt these god fearing people make our country stronger,and safer?This country was built by immagrants that believed in all different religions,they also were happy to assimalate.Its defini tly the far left that has messed up this country,with there politicly correctness,and there sensativity B.S.If people dont want to come here to be hard working english speaking AMERICANS! then they should not be in this country period.

[Swamprat]

Most of the Mexicans are catholics,so wouldnt these god fearing people make our country stronger,and safer?This country was built by immagrants that believed in all different religions,they also were happy to assimalate.

Key Phrase there Goathead.

"Happy to assimulate"

NOT so today. They're here to form "onclaves", demand language changes AND...the ones that are doin this are ILLEAGLE!!!! Get the term ILLEAGLE?

Been to a Walmart lately? Down here in Florida, the only person that speaks English is the checkout people, and god love em...they're hispanic. But!! THEY have assimulated. Assimulation is something ILLEAGLES are not interested in. They're here to suck from America. They ain't interested in our culture or the culture of being an AMERICAN. AND they damn sure ain't interested in our Flag. That's why ya see so many of their flags on their damn rear view mirrors. They're here to suck from AMERICA, cause we're "easy pickins", and we ain't got the laws or the balls to do anything about them...in our healthcare, our schools or the voting booth. AND...Americans like you and me....are payin for em.

I got NOTHIN against immigrants. Bring em in!! Immigrants who want to be AMERICANS. LEGAL Immigrants.
Please reference my post on what Teddy Roosevelt said in 1907.

[CenterPointEX]

This country was built by immagrants that believed in all different religions,they also were happy to assimalate.Its definitly the far left that has messed up this country,with their politicly correctness,and there sensativity B.S.If people dont want to come here to be hard working english speaking AMERICANS! then they should not be in this country period. This country was built by legal immagrants... I stress the word legal... But, currently this country is being built by illegal immagrants... And this country was built on the moral fiber of Christians... Not all religions as you state. But, I concur it is the far left who want to strip this country of it's Christian history,roots,and moorings...

[SBatts]

This country was built by legal immagrants... I stress the word legal... But, currently this country is being built by illegal immagrants... And this country was built on the moral fiber of Christians... Not all religions as you state. But, I concur it is the far left who want to strip this country of it's Christian history,roots,and moorings...

Check out how many fought died and gave all they had in 1776 that was Jewish. The Chinese that built the Rail Roads was not Christain. You spout your crap like Jerry Farewell. Learn before you open your ignorant cracker mouth.

[CenterPointEX]

Check out how many fought died and gave all they had in 1776 that was Jewish...You spout your crap like Jerry Farewell. Learn before you open your ignorant cracker mouth. Ummm Batts... There was a Jewish soldier who died in the 1776 war... His name was Francis Salvador. One Jewish Soldier Batts... That being said, the Judeo/Christian God is one and the same...

[SBatts]

Ummm Batts... There was a Jewish soldier who died in the 1776 war... His name was Francis Salvador. One Jewish Soldier Batts... That being said, the Judeo/Christian God is one and the same...

Alla /God is all the same. Jew Christian Muslim, Hindo

Mumbo Jumbo crap
Look futher you right wing idiot. Check out who financed G. Washingtons Army and died broke for giving up everything for the good old USA.

You scream about liberal ACLU ande they just saved your favorite Right Wing Mouth Rush Limbaugh for going to prison. Some American hero. doper, major criminal. Floridians should be proud of the justice system. No wonder so many child molesters live there.

[SBatts]

Ummm Batts... There was a Jewish soldier who died in the 1776 war... His name was Francis Salvador. One Jewish Soldier Batts... That being said, the Judeo/Christian God is one and the same...How the Jews Saved the American Revolution

By Jerry Klinger


"They (the Jews of St. Eustatius, Caribbean Antilles) cannot too soon be taken care of - they are notorious in the cause of America and France."
Admiral Sir George Rodney commander of the British Fleet, February, 1781.


The Colonial American Jewish experience 1654 - 1770 was characterized by sharp departures from historic European anti-Semitic patterns of isolation, social, economic, physical, legislative and religious discrimination. The American Colonial world was growing, changing and evolving so rapidly it did not have time to focus on historical Jewish scapegoat-ism. The demands of the frontier and the expanding new American economic power needed the best of all of its people.


Jews in Colonial America struggled and won rights that were inconceivable and nonexistent in Europe. Jews struggled for and won the rights to equal economic opportunity, to own land, to go to higher secular education, to serve in the armed militias, to vote and in some colonies to become members of the legislative bodies. In some colonies the struggle was easy, in others it was very hard.


The American experience was not an automatic entitlement to toleration and sufferance, rather the pre-revolutionary experience was one that permitted the old discriminations to be challenged and eventually to be put aside. Hatred of the Jew and imported anti-Semitism did exist but it could not flourish in the melting pot of common need and survival.


Patrick Henry, the revolutionary war governor of Virginia, rose in assembly and made his famous "Give me Liberty or Give me Death," speech. He did so with the belief in liberty for all except for Jews, Blacks and Indians.


Jews traced their earliest participation in Virginia's life from the 16th century with Sir Walter Raleigh through Jamestown and the revolution. The first permanent synagogue community Kehilah ha Kadosh Beth Shalome, was founded in 1789 in Richmond, Va.. Beth Shalome built its first permanent building in 1820 in Richmond. The president of the congregation at the time of dedication was Jacob Mordecai, born in 1762 in Philadelphia. His mother Elizabeth (Esther) Whitlock had been a Christian convert to Judaism.

Who could do the best became more important than who was who's parentage in Colonial America. It was not until many years later that who were your parents and where did they come from became more important than what can you do to better yourself, your community and your country.

In 1753, the British Parliament, to legitimize and encourage economic development both in the colonies and in the mother country passed a Jewish Naturalization Bill. The purpose simply enough was to grant limited rights, such as land ownership, to foreign born Jews who wished to become British subjects. The bill had the opposite effect in England stirring intense violent anti-Semitic feeling and prejudices. The bill was repealed by Parliament in 1760. In Colonial America the legislation was generally ignored or circumspectly treated.


For almost a hundred years, if one colony refused to grant citizenship to a Jew the expedient thing was to go to another colony that would grant it or more simply ignore the issues of Naturalization entirely as most immigrants did. For the most part the tiny Jewish community was not affected by the machinations of the mother country's bigotry. Jews were generally free to develop economically, participate in colonial life and practice their faith.


Political equality was not a universal right but an evolving right in colonial America. Yet it left a lasting impression on Jews before the Revolution that the old world, if given the opportunity, would try to transfer it's bigotry to the new world. The repeal of the Naturalization act placed an awareness in the minds of much of colonial Jewry that America was different from Europe. It was the commonality of the challenge of America that was to shape American views and identity.


The colonies were different from each other, the North from the South, or the West. The British struggled to impose a central government on a frontier world that was rapidly developing far away from London. For the Jew, the Colonial experience was different in that there was no fully established homogenous world that they encountered. Rather they encountered a world that was being established and was not fully formed or mature. It was not until many years later, as the American frontier officially closed, (1890), that Nativism and the weak seeds of anti-Semitism would grow as Americans searched for identity.


The Jews tended to settle wherever doors were open; most frequently in the urban environments but also in rural and frontier areas. Jews did not come seeking freedom of religion as much as freedom of opportunity. Traditional Judaism weakened in the face of American freedom of choice only to be reborn later with an American voice.


The American Revolution, 1776-1783, did not start out intentionally as a revolution. The Colonial American world was an evolving, growing English world that demanded fair representation from the British Parliament. The British government saw the Americas as a source of money, power and natural resources to be delivered and ruled unquestioningly by the mother country.


The British government failed to realize that the Colonials saw themselves as British Americans with the right to a voice in their affairs, to influence their laws, their economy their frontiers and their taxation. The Revolutionary war was to be the longest war in American history prior to Vietnam. It was fought over a one thousand five hundred mile front on the developed farmlands of thirteen colonies, on the sea and on the frontier.


Oct. 25. 1765, a group of Philadelphia merchants gathered in the State House to sign the non-importation agreement to fight the hated Stamp Tax of the British government. The first man to step forward to sign his name was the president of Mikve Israel Congregation, Philadelphia's only synagogue, Mathias Bush.


As the tensions between Britain and the American Colonies increased and finally erupted into war the American Colonial population was split almost into thirds; one third supported the war, one third was neutral and one third was pro British. The small Jewish population of America was also divided – the choice though was very heavily and disproportionaly in favor and support of the American Revolution. Not only did the Jews pledge their fortunes and sacred honor for America but their very lives.


Compromise between Britain and its colonies could not be reached. The British blockaded Boston and sent an occupying army to take the city. The call to arms rang throughout the countryside. Volunteers rushed to defend the city at the Battle of Bunker Hill, June 17, 1776. The famous order of the American commander during the battle was "do not fire until you see the whites of their (the advancing British Regular's) eyes."

[SBatts]

In the front ranks of the smoke and fire of battle was Aaron Solomon standing shoulder to shoulder with his Christian comrades of the Gloucester volunteers. Eight hundred miles to the South the British were stirring up the Cherokee Indians to attack and kill settlers on the South Carolina/Georgia frontiers.


Francis Salvador, a Jew of Sephardic heritage, the first Jew to be elected to a Colonial constituent assembly rode out to carry the alarm and raise the volunteers to repel the impending Indians attacks. He returned at the head of a force of frontiersmen only to be ambushed, shot down and scalped, July 1, 1776. Salvador had the dubious honor of being the first American Jew to give his life for his adopted country.


A few days later in Philadelphia, July 4, 1776, the Declaration of Independence was written. A copy was sent to Amsterdam via the small Dutch Caribbean Island of St. Eustatius. The Declaration was intercepted by the British at sea. An accompanying letter with the Declaration of Independence was also intercepted and sent to London as being a secret code about the document that needed to be deciphered - the letter was written in Yiddish.


The war was not going well at first for the young American army. Though facing hard times and even defeat, Jews stood and fought along with their neighbors. Into the terrible dark cold winter at Valley Forge, Abraham Levy and Phillip Russell stood their watch. Joseph Simon from his frontier forge at Lancaster, Pa. supplied the Army with the famous Henry Rifles. Jewish trading merchants, peaceful before the war, outfitted their ships to become privateers and ravage the British at sea. The cost to many was great, the great merchant traders of Newport, Rhode Island saw their fortunes lost.


Men such as Aaron Lopez were bankrupted supporting the Revolution when their ships were lost to the British. In the area of finance the young American government might have foundered too except for the financial genius and personal financial risk and support taken on by Hayim Solomon. Solomon was to die bankrupted by his total support of the American cause. Though small in number the Jews chose to caste their fate with America.


But how did the Jews save the American Revolution? As late as 1781 the war had not been won by the Americans nor was it lost by the British. Arms were being funneled into the Colonies by arms merchants running the British blockade primarily from the tiny free trading Island of Dutch St. Eustatius. Jewish merchants and arms traders were a major presence on the island.


In 1781, the British realized they had to cut off the open door of arms shipments to the rebels through St. Eustatius. Admiral Sir George Rodney was sent to capture the island. His goal was to destroy the supplies and destroy the island's commercial and merchant class so they could not provide any more aide to the rebels. Early in 1781 the lightly defended island fell to the heavy presence of the main British battle fleet. Rodney in his vehemence destroyed the warehouses and the supplies. He burnt every home. He paid particular venomous attention to the Jews of St. Eustatius. The British burnt their homes and the synagogue, Honen Dalim, "She Who is Charitable to the Poor" – built 1739. Jewish property was confiscated and the men imprisoned with particular cruelty. Rodney spent months directing half his fleet to convey much of the stolen treasure back to England.


While Rodney was engaged in St. Eustatius, Lord Cornwallis and his army of British regulars were forced out of the Carolinas and retreated to the small port of Yorktown, Virginia on the James Peninsula. He needed to await critical reprovisioning and fresh reinforcements being brought by the British fleet. The weakened British fleet, with Cornwallis's reinforcements, was intercepted at sea by the French fleet under Admiral DeGrasse and soundly defeated. Degrasse took up positions at the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay blockading Yorktown from the Sea.


General George Washington saw his chance. Washington trapped and besieged Cornwallis. In short course Cornwallis surrendered. The war was over. The Americans had won with the help of the French.


But how did the Jews save the American Revolution? If the Jews had not helped turn St. Eustatius into a major arms center for the Revolution and if Admiral Rodney had not spent so much time destroying St. Eustatius and particularly the Jews, the war might have ended differently. There is little doubt that Admiral Rodney's anti-Semitism helped squander his time and played a role in delaying and weakening the British fleet. Ironically it was the Jews of St. Eustatius who helped win the American Revolution.



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Jerry Klinger is President of the Jewish American Society for Historic Preservation: www.JASHP.org

[Swamprat]

And your POINT...is... What, Batshit?
Or was that sarcasim. :-)

Where'd ya get all that "historical bullshit" anyway?
Who gives a F#$K.

What? are you Jewish?

[Swamprat]

You scream about liberal ACLU ande they just saved your favorite Right Wing Mouth Rush Limbaugh for going to prison. Some American hero. doper, major criminal. Floridians should be proud of the justice system. No wonder so many child molesters live there.

Glad to see you're the same ****ed up Batshit asshole I've known for the past 2 years!:p

Sure wouldn't want to see a change in ya now!! ;) :rolleyes:

[CenterPointEX]

Check out how many fought died and gave all they had in 1776 that was Jewish...You spout your crap like Jerry Farewell. Learn before you open your ignorant cracker mouth.Swamp, Batts tirade on the Revolution was in response to your question about my statement about the Judeo/Christian God being one and the same... Batts called me an idiot for not knowing my history... I am sorry, I don't want to put words in Batts mouth... he needs no help from me... Batts called me an Ignorant Cracker...
.... After I pointed out to Mr. Batts that only one Jew died in the revolution, rather than eat Batts turds, he thought maybe could bury his lack of knowledge by cutting a pasting a ten page history lesson for us...

In reguard to your history lesson Mr. Batts,
...It is my suspicion that the Jews who came to America came to profit from this resource... It would not suprise me a bit if the Jews at St. Eustatius were selling arms to both sides of the war, hedging their bets. If it was as this history Batts shared with us, I believe the British would have wiped out the Jews at St. Eustatius and been done with them, but that was not the case... It is pure conjecture on my part, but I suspect the Jews at St. Eustatius were roughed up for double crossing the British by profitering on both sides of the fence. A fella by the name of Rodney was in charge of grabbing the arms at St. Eustatius..He found such a treasure trove of wealth there that he commited a portion of his fleet to carry it back home... in spite of the fact that Cornwallis was waiting for his support

[SBatts]

Glad to see you're the same ****ed up Batshit asshole I've known for the past 2 years!:p

Sure wouldn't want to see a change in ya now!! ;) :rolleyes:

Here is some more History. Using Germanys own records afer the war. Hitler donated 10 million dollars to the repuglickings to defeat Franklin D. Roosevelt. Seems Hitler was more afraid of FDR than the repuglickings. Some3 of the behavier before Pearl Harbor by republicans bordered on Treason. So pop off some more cocksucker.

[damn_encode]

Isn’t there legisture in the works to impose large fines to employers for hiring illegials knowingly or unknowingly, I thought I heard something about that?….

Instead of complaining about the problem of the illegal why doesn’t anyone talk about why they are here to begin with. They came to “America The Land Of Opportunity” and actually did something. Would you go work the fields, or in the food processing plants? Hell no, not as a nation we wouldn’t.

Everyone says America is broken, I think its working just fine. The Hispanics came to America, did the “ass bustin” work that the general population wont do, learned how to work the system, had kids, used the social services available to them, then educated their kids in the public schools, and now as their “class” is beginning to become educated and is beginning to take the “good” jobs from “deserving” lazy Americans. I think America on the opportunity level is working fine, its still about fending for yourself and working harder then the next guy.

There is a reason that Hispanics are taking the “Good” jobs from Americans and its because they want them. Think about it, they wouldn’t have the job if they didn’t apply, if they didn’t do a good job they would keep the position, then they get a promotion to Management, and they naturally show a preference to they own race, their language is second nature to them so naturally they speak it at work, so slowly they begin “take over” America

We need everyone here in the US, because like it or not everyone has a place in society (class). Everyone has an opportunity to change their class if they are willing to do what is necessary. I don’t think closing the border completely is the answer and I doubt it would ever happen. I do think there should be ONE LANGUAGE is AMERICA and it should be ENGLISH.

We got a major problem in the US indeed, however I don’t think that it starts and stops with Mexico. We have some serious issues with our own poplation that need to be addressed as well. Lazy, Fat, Americans, funny that’s how the rest of the world views us, And our response to that is “**** you where gonna close our border then!”……….ya that will work for about a week, until we run out of lettuce. Then the borders will be open again and we will go on complaining about the same superficial morals and ideals instead of trying to fix the real problems

I need a hug…….

[CenterPointEX]

They are not taking jobs Americans don't want encode... They took my job... The Power Company here can not hire illegals... But the power company don't control who the contractors hire... so the power company is getting rid of its work force and replacing them with labor that works for a third of what Light Company hands work for...contractors... There are now crews were I work that go out with more illegals than legals... The Mexicans are slave labor... They work for a slaves wages because the alternative is starving in Mexico... The question, is ... Why are they starving in Mexico? Answer... The Mexican constitution, unlike the American Constituion, is not built upon Judeo/Christian morals. Mexicans have no God given rights... they only have rights given to them by the State... which rights the State has the right to recind...

[Swamprat]

Swamp, Batts tirade on the Revolution was in response to your question about my statement about the Judeo/Christian God being one and the same... Batts called me an idiot for not knowing my history... I am sorry, I don't want to put words in Batts mouth... he needs no help from me... Batts called me an Ignorant Cracker...
.... After I pointed out to Mr. Batts that only one Jew died in the revolution, rather than eat Batts turds, he thought maybe could bury his lack of knowledge by cutting a pasting a ten page history lesson for us...

CP,... boy...
You're just a piece of work.

Go play with yourself, and believe what ya want.
"After I pointed out..."

And, like who the **** are you?..And Your beliefs, that are so..."all right" and shit?
Not.

[Swamprat]

Isn’t there legisture in the works to impose large fines to employers for hiring illegials knowingly or unknowingly, I thought I heard something about that?….

Instead of complaining about the problem of the illegal why doesn’t anyone talk about why they are here to begin with. They came to “America The Land Of Opportunity” and actually did something. Would you go work the fields, or in the food processing plants? Hell no, not as a nation we wouldn’t.

Everyone says America is broken, I think its working just fine. The Hispanics came to America, did the “ass bustin” work that the general population wont do, learned how to work the system, had kids, used the social services available to them, then educated their kids in the public schools, and now as their “class” is beginning to become educated and is beginning to take the “good” jobs from “deserving” lazy Americans. I think America on the opportunity level is working fine, its still about fending for yourself and working harder then the next guy.

There is a reason that Hispanics are taking the “Good” jobs from Americans and its because they want them. Think about it, they wouldn’t have the job if they didn’t apply, if they didn’t do a good job they would keep the position, then they get a promotion to Management, and they naturally show a preference to they own race, their language is second nature to them so naturally they speak it at work, so slowly they begin “take over” America

We need everyone here in the US, because like it or not everyone has a place in society (class). Everyone has an opportunity to change their class if they are willing to do what is necessary. I don’t think closing the border completely is the answer and I doubt it would ever happen. I do think there should be ONE LANGUAGE is AMERICA and it should be ENGLISH.

We got a major problem in the US indeed, however I don’t think that it starts and stops with Mexico. We have some serious issues with our own poplation that need to be addressed as well. Lazy, Fat, Americans, funny that’s how the rest of the world views us, And our response to that is “**** you where gonna close our border then!”……….ya that will work for about a week, until we run out of lettuce. Then the borders will be open again and we will go on complaining about the same superficial morals and ideals instead of trying to fix the real problems

I need a hug…….

Yeah, I'll give ya a hug. It's called a choke hold...

I'll just say one thing more to your wonderful post man.

"Illeagle".
Deal and talk to me about that.

AND...What's your take on the new..."American Anthem"...in Spanish.

What? Are you a mexican?
You're sure standin up for all the ILLEAGLE workers that are suckin from America.

ILLEAGLE!!! KEY WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SBatts]

Swamp, Batts tirade on the Revolution was in response to your question about my statement about the Judeo/Christian God being one and the same... Batts called me an idiot for not knowing my history... I am sorry, I don't want to put words in Batts mouth... he needs no help from me... Batts called me an Ignorant Cracker... .... After I pointed out to Mr. Batts that only one Jew died in the revolution, rather than eat Batts turds, he thought maybe could bury his lack of knowledge by cutting a pasting a ten page history lesson for us...

Yes, Swamp, I Pointed out... and it is true that there is record of only one Jewish death in the revolutionary war... Batts made the statement that I was an ignorant cracker, and told me to check out how many Jews died in the revolutionary war before I opened my mouth... Batts thought there were a lot of them... He was wrong,... but rather than say so, he cut an pasted the long history lesson to which you Swamp replied and asked, Go back and follow the thread up to this Point and just maybe you will get it Swamp? But I wouldn't put money on it...Dang Swamp... Do I gotta spall everythin out fer ya? I know it ain't right Swamp... but I jus cain't quit ya!


The only thing you showed was your true anti simatic stance against any belief than your own REDNECK CRACKER.

[damn_encode]

Yeah, I'll give ya a hug. It's called a choke hold...

I'll just say one thing more to your wonderful post man.

"Illeagle".
Deal and talk to me about that.

AND...What's your take on the new..."American Anthem"...in Spanish.

What? Are you a mexican?
You're sure standin up for all the ILLEAGLE workers that are suckin from America.

There was a Mexican protest in a town close to where I live today and the stupid bastards were chanting in Spanish, holding banners written in Spanish, and the Mexican flags being flown outnumbered the American Flag 3 to 1. Dumb bastards, they want the support of the American people? I think they were protesting the Presidents policy on immigration, but what do I know I couldn’t understand I damn word they were saying.

As for being a Mexican, I am as White as rice, the difference between me and you is that I can see the other side of the issue and ask the interesting question: why. Why do we have this problem to begin with, and more importantly how can we solve the problem without creating more hate and racial tension.

If you want to rip me apart for my stance on the subject fine. Just know that I agree with the subject of your 1st post but think your missing the point of the whole topic: We got a major problem in the US indeed, however I don’t think that it starts and stops with Mexico. We have some serious issues with our own population that need to be addressed as well. Lazy, Fat, Americans, funny that’s how the rest of the world views us, And our response to that is “**** you where gonna close our border then!”……….ya that will work for about a week, until we run out of lettuce. Then the borders will be open again and we will go on complaining about the same superficial morals and ideals instead of trying to fix the real problems

Keep complaining about the "Illeagles", or better yet why don't you explain what YOU think should be done about the problem.

[CenterPointEX]

The only thing you showed was your true anti simatic stance against any belief than your own REDNECK CRACKER. Do ya reckon you suffer lightly any belief but your own Mr. Batts?Originally Posted by CenterPointEX This country was built by legal immagrants... I stress the word legal... But, currently this country is being built by illegal immagrants... And this country was built on the moral fiber of Christians... Not all religions as you state. But, I concur it is the far left who want to strip this country of it's Christian history,roots,and moorings...Check out how many fought died and gave all they had in 1776 that was Jewish...You spout your crap like Jerry Farewell. Learn before you open your ignorant cracker mouth.
Originally Posted by CenterPointEX Ummm Batts... There was a Jewish soldier who died in the 1776 war... His name was Francis Salvador. One Jewish Soldier Batts... That being said, the Judeo/Christian God is one and the same... Swamp, Batts tirade on the Revolution was in response to your question about my statement about the Judeo/Christian God being one and the same... Batts called me an idiot for not knowing my history... I am sorry, I don't want to put words in Batts mouth... he needs no help from me... Batts called me an Ignorant Cracker... .... After I pointed out to Mr. Batts that only one Jew died in the revolution, rather than eat Batts turds, he thought maybe could bury his lack of knowledge by cutting a pasting a ten page history lesson for us...

Yes, Swamp, I Pointed out... and it is true that there is record of only one Jewish death in the revolutionary war... Batts made the statement that I was an ignorant cracker, and told me to check out how many Jews died in the revolutionary war before I opened my mouth... Batts thought there were a lot of them... He was wrong,... but rather than say so, he cut an pasted the long history lesson to which you Swamp replied and asked, And your POINT...is... What, Batshit? Or was that sarcasim. :-)Where'd ya get all that "historical bullshit" anyway?Who gives a F#$K. Go back and follow the thread up to this Point and just maybe you will get it Swamp? But I wouldn't put money on it...Dang Swamp... Do I gotta spall everythin out fer ya? I know it ain't right Swamp... but I jus cain't quit ya!CP,... boy...You're just a piece of work.Go play with yourself, and believe what ya want. "After I pointed out..." And, like who the **** are you?...

[Goathead]

The reason theyre coming here is because they live in a third world shit hole with a crooked ass two bit government that benefits from them being here.and if we had two more of these shit holes one bordering east and one bordering west the problem would be threefold.The way you solve this is by securing the borders,and if it means we have to stop nation biulding for awhile,(which bush said he wouldnt do),intil after he was elected,then thats what we have to do,I wouldnt send any illegals back,Id keep them here to do the "jobs Americans wont do" course we would have to define these specific jobs make sure every American had first dibs at them,and then the ones left over they could do,and if thier wasnt enough of these "unwanted jobs" for all the illegals Id keep whats needed and send the rest back.and when a "unwanted job"came up Id call one back.This hole things a joke commen sense says we cant afford to let this continue,we just need politicians with some balls to do something about it.

[Swamprat]

the difference between me and you is that I can see the other side of the issue and ask the interesting question: why. Why do we have this problem to begin with, and more importantly how can we solve the problem without creating more hate and racial tension.

If you want to rip me apart for my stance on the subject fine. Just know that I agree with the subject of your 1st post but think your missing the point of the whole topic:

Keep complaining about the "Illeagles", or better yet why don't you explain what YOU think should be done about the problem.

I'm sure you can "see the other side of the issue", from up there in Oregon.
Come on down to Texas or Florida and get a Close up look. "Hate and tension", huh? You ain't got a clue what's causin it up there in Oregon. Come on down to the front lines.

What would I do about it?? Build the damn wall FIRST. REALLY! I DO believe in a guest worker program. But FIRST, we HAVE to STOP the influx.

As for those ILLEAGLE assholes marchin in the streets of AMERICA, Wavin their friggin mexican flag, DEMANDING from American Tax payers to be made Leagle...heh, heh, heh....
You really don't want to know.

You go on askin stupid questions like "Why do we have this problem to begin with?"

BECAUSE......ILLEAGLES are flooding into our Country, and trying to take over!
What does ILLEAGLE mean to you! It means AGAINST the laws of AMERICA.

Yet they're allowed to march blaintaly in the streets of America, wave their shit flag in OUR country and Demand from America to have their ILLEAGLE asses made leagle... without ANY ramifications. How stupid are you? How Stupid is our Govt? Pretty stupid.

And...who's payin the brunt of these Illeagles, in our school systems, our healthcare, insurance?

You're right. I don't get it. And you sure as shit don't.

[CenterPointEX]

I don't know how much more of this I can take... Everybody is chanting the Mantra, "They do jobs Americans won't.." This is B.S.! They are taking good Ameican jobs... I repeat myself again, again, and again...

Instead of exporting factories to exploit 'Wage Slaves".... We have found it cheaper to illegaly import those same "Wage Slaves" into the Uninted States...

These Wage Slaves are not being treated humanly, the conditions are horrible, and their pay is meager.

Their country is not built upon Judeo/Christian moral law like ours is and thus they do not care for their poor... rather they pimp them out to Americans... and everybody who benifits from their labor is guilty of greasing the hand of the Pimp... and the law enforcment that looks the other way...

But that is not what I can't take more of... I am here to say...
...........That an "Ill Eagle" is what we as a nation are
......and "ILLEGAL" is what crosses the border without papers to partake of the American Pie without paying the price of being American ... America... wake up... these folks are Sh@tting in your Cheerios... literaly... We provide no ammenities so they have to Sh@t in the field, wipe con el mano... and continue picking the strawberries you float in you Cheerios...

There is no "A" in illegal... the Pun in IllEagle was making me nuts... like I ain't already....

[Orgnizdlbr]

was making me nuts... like I ain't already....


You said a mouthful there bud!

[CenterPointEX]

I grinned ear to ear when I tossed ya that softball...

[Swamprat]

I grinned ear to ear when I tossed ya that softball...

Ya play Softball, when ya get old...and can't hit a Hardball.

[loner]

swamprat,right on the money,read my post under whats the story here.